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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I remember quite well all the propaganda and anti american printing al jazeera has done and their televison propaganda...in the beginning of the war they did nothing but try to damage the us effort.
    Case in point right here. That wouldn't be anti-american propaganda, that is anti-US government propaganda.
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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Same holds true for other people on the other extreme of the political spectrum. That's what extremism is. What's your point?
    I didn't know every nutbag on television was the subject of this particular discussion. I was under the impression we were talking about nutbag O'Reilly. If you'd like to start a thread about some other tv nutbags, I'd be happy to comment on them.
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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Anti-american or Anti-US Government? Many people get the two confused.
    Your post reminds me of the kind of sentiment which I've slammed on these pages previously.

    One which bizarrely confuses one's allies with one's adversaries.

    In the matter of Al Jazeera establishing a foothold in America and the potential dangers of that, the American must not be at odds with the American government unless you wish the utimate deterioration of both.

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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    Your post reminds me of the kind of sentiment which I've slammed on these pages previously.

    One which bizarrely confuses one's allies with one's adversaries.
    I see AJ as neither an ally nor an adversary.

    In the matter of Al Jazeera establishing a foothold in America and the potential dangers of that, the American must not be at odds with the American government unless you wish the utimate deterioration of both.
    Then you must see Fox News as anti-american because they constantly criticize our government.
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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I didn't know every nutbag on television was the subject of this particular discussion. I was under the impression we were talking about nutbag O'Reilly. If you'd like to start a thread about some other tv nutbags, I'd be happy to comment on them.
    In other words, your "sky is blue on a clear day" blindingly obvious non-point is confirmed. Thank you.
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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by marsden View Post
    In the matter of Al Jazeera establishing a foothold in America and the potential dangers of that, the American must not be at odds with the American government unless you wish the utimate deterioration of both.
    That must be the most hypocritical statement I've read on this site in a long, long while.
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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Anti-american or Anti-US Government? Many people get the two confused.


    If the positions taken are reflexive and automatically against anything Americsa does, they are anti-American. They can only be said to be anti-American goverment if the criticisms are pointed, the things the government does right are acknowledged and the nature of the different governments receive different response.

    I'm reminded of the useful idiot portion of the hard left and its constant demonization of Israel. These children do nothing but spread hatred no matter the particular government, cannot say anything good about Israel if their life depended on it, make excuses for terrorism against Jews, and spread many antisemitic canards, but try the cop-out that they are only against Israeli government.

    Intelligent people do not buy into these lies any more than intelligent poeple should buy into the notion that those who are ALWAYS anti-American are anything but anti-American.
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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Case in point right here. That wouldn't be anti-american propaganda, that is anti-US government propaganda.
    Those of you who subscribe to this idea have to remember that the American GOVERNMENT exists by the people and for the people. It is not some alienated entity that exists apart from our most fundamental interests or without our active participation.

    I suspect this point of view of yours comes drectly from the Middle East (it certainly DOES NOT apply to an American government) where governments routinely DO NOT reflect the will or the best interests or the active participation of the people.

    Peddle your alienation campaign elsewhere. It won't work here.

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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    If the positions taken are reflexive and automatically against anything Americsa does, they are anti-American. They can only be said to be anti-American goverment if the criticisms are pointed, the things the government does right are acknowledged and the nature of the different governments receive different response.
    Sure, people can be anti-American AND anti-US government. But many posters will take criticism over US foreign policy as criticism towards Americans. That is not necessarily true.

    As a libertarian, I believe most of the things our government does is wrong. Am I anti-American?

    I'm reminded of the useful idiot portion of the hard left and its constant demonization of Israel. These children do nothing but spread hatred no matter the particular government, cannot say anything good about Israel if their life depended on it, make excuses for terrorism against Jews, and spread many antisemitic canards, but try the cop-out that they are only against Israeli government.
    I criticize much of what Israel's government does. At the same time, I criticize Hamas and many of their terrorist actions. I don't speak on behalf of those who criticize one side and not the other.

    Intelligent people do not buy into these lies any more than intelligent poeple should buy into the notion that those who are ALWAYS anti-American are anything but anti-American.
    And intelligent people don't get suckered into nationalistic sentimentalism.
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    re: O'Reilly: Al Gore's sale to al-Jazeera 'sleazy and disgraceful' [W:152]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Intelligent people do not buy into these lies any more than intelligent poeple should buy into the notion that those who are ALWAYS anti-American are anything but anti-American.
    Are you suggesting that Al Jazeera is always anti-American? I don't think even O'Reilly went that far. I guess he's a little too lefty for you.
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