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    Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    Is anyone else getting tired of the "unrelated provisions" the government is tacking on to its bills?

    Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It | CNS News

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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    It is simple now, Reid declares crisis, emergency and pay as you go is waved. This is the cue that the bill is good, popular and details need not be examined. The vote is taken and all go home heroes.
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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    I wonder if they caught the tax break for Hollywood in the 3 minutes.
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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Is anyone else getting tired of the "unrelated provisions" the government is tacking on to its bills?

    Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It | CNS News

    I am tired of elected officials not reading bills they vote yes on. Unless they are using giant type in that 154 page bill then there is no way in hell any of clowns read the bill in its entirety and understood it. There should be criminal penalties for not reading these bills. To ensure that they had adequate time to read bill and the people had adequate time to read the bill there should be a 3 day minimum waiting period where the bills will be posted online for anyone to read and anytime a bill gets amended it gets held back and posted online for 3 days or more based on how many pages and how much of it was amended. These ****ed scum could have voted yes for another amnesty, Brady ban, a declaration of war against another country, ton of pork or some other ****.
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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am tired of elected officials not reading bills they vote yes on. Unless they are using giant type in that 154 page bill then there is no way in hell any of clowns read the bill in its entirety and understood it. There should be criminal penalties for not reading these bills. To ensure that they had adequate time to read bill and the people had adequate time to read the bill there should be a 3 day minimum waiting period where the bills will be posted online for anyone to read and anytime a bill gets amended it gets held back and posted online for 3 days or more based on how many pages and how much of it was amended. These ****ed scum could have voted yes for another amnesty, Brady ban, a declaration of war against another country, ton of pork or some other ****.
    They do have a lot of staffers who go through not only the bills but also the committee documents that are released with a bill who can then brief their Congressman.

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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    Do we have a source that isn't blatantly partisan?

    Here's the google search word for word:

    Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It - Google Search

    Not exactly the most reputable sources. Many of them are actually citing back to the original one Dooble posted.
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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    They do have a lot of staffers who go through not only the bills but also the committee documents that are released with a bill who can then brief their Congressman.
    None of those staffers were elected to vote for those bills,so it doesn't matter one way or the other if they read the bill. Congressmen,senators and the president should read every bill they vote yet for.They have no business voting yes for any bill they didn't read and fully understand. Besides that if the OP article is correct I seriously doubt any of those staffers read a 120 page bill in 3 minutes.
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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    They do have a lot of staffers who go through not only the bills but also the committee documents that are released with a bill who can then brief their Congressman.

    But why do they need to release a bill and not give adequate time for everyone to ponder and understand it before the vote? Their simply is no reason for them to behave this way.

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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    But why do they need to release a bill and not give adequate time for everyone to ponder and understand it before the vote? Their simply is no reason for them to behave this way.
    I agree, its a result of what happens when you take something down to the wire like this. I don't know if this source is accurate, there's nothing besides "We've got sources" to back it up but if its true than I agree its wrong.

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    Re: Senators Got 154-Page 'Fiscal Cliff' Bill 3 Minutes Before Voting on It

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am tired of elected officials not reading bills they vote yes on. Unless they are using giant type in that 154 page bill then there is no way in hell any of clowns read the bill in its entirety and understood it. There should be criminal penalties for not reading these bills. To ensure that they had adequate time to read bill and the people had adequate time to read the bill there should be a 3 day minimum waiting period where the bills will be posted online for anyone to read and anytime a bill gets amended it gets held back and posted online for 3 days or more based on how many pages and how much of it was amended. These ****ed scum could have voted yes for another amnesty, Brady ban, a declaration of war against another country, ton of pork or some other ****.
    One of those smart guys said something like that...oh yah.

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