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    Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Logic of House GOP intransigence

    The unruly House Republicans who spurned Speaker John Boehner as the country flirts with fiscal havoc might’ve seemed like they were doing their best “Lord of the Flies” rendition. But last week’s mayhem had a certain logic — the logic of politicians wanting to keep their jobs.

    In the staunchly conservative districts that most House Republicans inhabit, playing ball with President Barack Obama on taxes and the debt means tempting a primary opponent in the next election. The threat of a challenge from the left that might come from digging in, on the other hand, is almost nonexistent for most members.
    and why can House Republicans oppose measures that the majority of Americans support? The picture tells us why

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    The phenomenon isn’t new. For decades, many Republicans — and for that matter Democrats — have found themselves locked into districts where they’re beholden to their party’s electorate. But it will be heightened in 2014.

    The polarization was exacerbated by the just completed, once-a-decade redistricting process. Both parties — but particularly Republicans, who swept control of statehouses across the country in the 2010 conservative wave — redrew district lines to shore up House members politically.
    So Republicans can truthfully say they hold a majority of seats in the House of Representatives and therefore they must be doing something 'right' while at the same time, Democrats can point out that more Americans voted for Democratic Representatives than for Republicans in the 2012 elections.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Gerrymandering is hardly a republican trick and it is not new. It has been going on by both sides since long before I was born. It is one of those "To the victor goes the spoils" thing. Maybe if it goes on long enough, democrats will actually try to be more proactive in state issues and stop trying to nationalize state races.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and why can House Republicans oppose measures that the majority of Americans support? The picture tells us why

    Attachment 67140077

    So Republicans can truthfully say they hold a majority of seats in the House of Representatives and therefore they must be doing something 'right' while at the same time, Democrats can point out that more Americans voted for Democratic Representatives than for Republicans in the 2012 elections.
    What a crock, ignoring the simple reality that you must first win a legislative majority, using the existing election district boundaries, in order to gain the power needed to change them. Also we do not have a democracy, we have a democratic republic. Implying that a few large urban centers should be able to squash the rights of the more sparsely populated suburban/rural areas of the rest of the state denies the intent of the use of election districts.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and why can House Republicans oppose measures that the majority of Americans support?
    Members of congress don't represent the whole nation, they represent their districts and are expected to be true to the principles that got them elected. They are right to do so. That's the way it's supposed to work. They most certainly do have a mandate from their own districts to support certain things.

    That's why it's very important for the President to show some leadership and step in to make a deal. This President appears to be unwilling or unable to do that.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Gerrymandering is hardly a republican trick and it is not new. It has been going on by both sides since long before I was born. It is one of those "To the victor goes the spoils" thing. Maybe if it goes on long enough, democrats will actually try to be more proactive in state issues and stop trying to nationalize state races.

    Youre right, but I believe only having to keep a handful of people happy in a small district gets you elected to national office is exactly whats wrong with the House of Representatives and the Senate...if they had to run for all americans alot of this crap wouldnt be going on.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Members of congress don't represent the whole nation, they represent their districts and are expected to be true to the principles that got them elected. They are right to do so. That's the way it's supposed to work. They most certainly do have a mandate from their own districts to support certain things.

    That's why it's very important for the President to show some leadership and step in to make a deal. This President appears to be unwilling or unable to do that.
    Yes, a, umm, representative is there to speak for the people who sent him/her there, and them alone. That's the entire purpose of the House of Representatives.

    Astounding that so many do not understand this.

    And it's the President who's supposed to defer to Congress, not the other way around. The People are sovereign, not the President.
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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Gerrymandering is hardly a republican trick and it is not new. It has been going on by both sides since long before I was born. It is one of those "To the victor goes the spoils" thing. Maybe if it goes on long enough, democrats will actually try to be more proactive in state issues and stop trying to nationalize state races.


    The goal of the Democrat party and their supporters is to make the non-federal Governments inconsequential.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    The goal of the Democrat party and their supporters is to make the non-federal Governments inconsequential.

    I know of a Democratic Party but what is this Democrat Party that Republicans and rightie talking heads are constantly yammering on about?
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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and why can House Republicans oppose measures that the majority of Americans support? The picture tells us why

    Attachment 67140077



    So Republicans can truthfully say they hold a majority of seats in the House of Representatives and therefore they must be doing something 'right' while at the same time, Democrats can point out that more Americans voted for Democratic Representatives than for Republicans in the 2012 elections.

    Republicans Can
    can you make a rational argument why tax cuts are good for almost everyone but those who pay most of the taxes (other than vote buying which of course is the reason for Obama's schemes not sound economics)

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    can you make a rational argument why tax cuts are good for almost everyone but those who pay most of the taxes (other than vote buying which of course is the reason for Obama's schemes not sound economics)
    Can you make a rational argument as to the relevance of your comment to this thread's topic?
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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