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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    The premise of this thread is sophomoric and just plain silly. The braying loons never compromise about anything. All they do is whine that the Republicans won't let them have their own way.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    The premise of this thread is sophomoric and just plain silly. The braying loons never compromise about anything. All they do is whine that the Republicans won't let them have their own way.
    One always appreciates well-reasoned responses to tough questions.
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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I know of a Democratic Party but what is this Democrat Party that Republicans and rightie talking heads are constantly yammering on about?

    Republicans are in the Republican Party and Democrats are in the Democrat Party.

    Note the parallelism.

    This is pretty basic stuff.

    Should the Republican Party be called Republicanic?

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    One always appreciates well-reasoned responses to tough questions.
    Says the poster who consistently pretends mocking and objectification are "arguments"

    Dodge noted BTW in regards to Turtle's question. This is just another one of your "I love Obama. I hate Republicans" threads. You're a radical left winger/Socialist/Collectivist Authoritarian, so it's par for the course.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Republicans are in the Republican Party and Democrats are in the Democrat Party.

    Note the parallelism.

    This is pretty basic stuff.

    Should the Republican Party be called Republicanic?

    WRONG! give the man a raspberry

    One might as well call Republicans - Republicants, as far too many of them do nothing more that regurgitate the 'cant' of the day.

    from the always reliable Wikipedia
    Democrat Party (epithet)

    "Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States for the Democratic Party.[1] The term has been used in negative or hostile fashion by conservative commentators and members of the Republican Party in party platforms, partisan speeches and press releases since 1940.[2]

    Multiple reasons are suggested for the use of the term. A 1984 New York Times article suggested Republicans began to use the term when Democrats used their own party name to imply "they are the only true adherents of democracy."[3] Republicans "feared that 'Democratic' suggested Democrats [had] a monopoly on or are somehow the anointed custodians of the concept of democracy."[4] New Yorker commentator Hendrik Hertzberg wrote, "There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. 'Democrat Party' is a slur, or intended to be—a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but 'Democrat Party' is jarring verging on ugly. It fairly screams 'rat.'"[5] Political analyst Charlie Cook attributed modern use of the term to force of habit rather than a deliberate epithet by Republicans.[6] Ruth Marcus stated that Republicans likely only continue to employ the term because Democrats dislike it.[7] Marcus stated that disagreements over use of the term are "trivial",[7] and Hertzberg calls use of the term "a minor irritation" and also "the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign."[5] Theologian William Dinges, however, argues:

    Names and labels count in public discourse. They have social and political consequences. They carry residual imaginative meaning and shape how we remember and perceive something. The power to name is the power to define. The power to define is the power to socially locate and designate and (in some cases) to condemn what is labeled deviant or non-normative.[8]
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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    None of the replies bother to deal with the question posed in the OP - Do you think Republicans can claim a mandate because they control the House of Representatives even though the collective vote for Republicans was less than that for Democratic candidates?

    Yes, there are rational reasons for allowing the majority of tax payers to maintain current tax rates until the economy is back to the growth rate last seen during the Clinton Administration. As those who have seen the largest increase in personal income over the past three years are only being asked to pay at the rate paid during the boom years, one must wonder just how much impediment would occur to the American economy if such an increase were to be put in place.

    Economic analyses,history and observation of other developed economies all show that the measures being advocated by the GOP today would do massive harm to the American economy and as a result we would see another recession at least as bad as the 2008-09 period. As with this last recession the result would be felt around the world.

    NOW - could we get back on topic? Oh and one other item - I don't "love Obama", he's a bit too conservative, not bad but far too willing to compromise with people who seem to be incapable of comprehending the term "compromise"
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Gerrymandering is hardly a republican trick and it is not new. It has been going on by both sides since long before I was born. It is one of those "To the victor goes the spoils" thing. Maybe if it goes on long enough, democrats will actually try to be more proactive in state issues and stop trying to nationalize state races.
    It is actually very hard to gerrymander electoral colleges without the agreement of all parties involved.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    It is actually very hard to gerrymander electoral colleges without the agreement of all parties involved.
    Only in southern states where federal court approval of everything is required. The most glaring example of that was the 91 Georgia redistricting where the democrats were glad to get a minority majority CD only to turn around and lament that the cost of that was white liberal swing voters in several other districts became not swing voters and the ubber conservatives were able to take those districts as opposed to the moderates.

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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    WRONG! give the man a raspberry

    One might as well call Republicans - Republicants, as far too many of them do nothing more that regurgitate the 'cant' of the day.

    from the always reliable Wikipedia
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    Re: Logic of House GOP intransigence

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    and why can House Republicans oppose measures that the majority of Americans support? The picture tells us why

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    So Republicans can truthfully say they hold a majority of seats in the House of Representatives and therefore they must be doing something 'right' while at the same time, Democrats can point out that more Americans voted for Democratic Representatives than for Republicans in the 2012 elections.

    Republicans Can
    Im willing to bet there are more liberal democrats than there are conservative republicans. If you want to talk about polarization and all that smoke screen bs that liberals use when the GOP doesnt bend over and take the liberal agenda straight up their collective keister.

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