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    Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush

    Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent

    Four separate amendments designed to install oversight mechanisms into the National Intelligence Agency's vast spying capabilities enshrined in the 2008 FISA Amendments Act all failed Thursday with the majority of US Senators insisting that secrecy continues to trump civil liberties in the post 9/11 era.

    With a final vote for full passage of the bill expected Friday, the defeat of the amendments spells near complete legalization of domestic spying practices which would have previously been found criminal. First uncovered during the Bush years and slammed by Democrats, the FISA law passed in 2008 gave retroactive immunity to the Bush era abuse and strove to codify the program going forward.
    Though he ran against such measures during his first run for president, the secret spying laws have now been embraced fully and championed by President Obama.
    Rights groups and advocates of the amendments voiced outrage with the votes.
    Read more @: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent | Common Dreams

    big brother is here and looks like its gonna stay for a very long time. Kiss your freedom and privacy goodbye. Welcome to America!



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    Re: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make

    I guess it helps them targeting get out the votes efforts......

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    Re: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make

    this administration has been a real disappointment in the area of civil liberties.

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    Re: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent

    Read more @: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent | Common Dreams

    big brother is here and looks like its gonna stay for a very long time. Kiss your freedom and privacy goodbye. Welcome to America!

    I don't think much of the FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act either, but I am curious as to know why you would title your link as "Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent" when in my opinion the Bill should not have even went to the Senate. The House passed that Act 301-118. Do you not think when one has to find out who stole the pie, we should also look and see how many republicans have pie on their faces as well as democrats?
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    Re: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make

    America is a country without a culture, there are a huge number of America hating foreigners infesting this country that need to be watched. We didn't have these problems when we had a common culture. Increased suspicion and the need for more surveillance is a natural and necessary result of multi-culturalism. Liberalism has taken America from a country where most people didn't even lock their front door when they left home to a country where everyone views their strange neighbors with suspicion. It is these people who should be watched that now complain that they are being watched.

    The OP of this thread advertises himself as a "DemSocialist." He constant posts messages negatively characterizing America and Americans on here. Government types notice this and find out who he is and where he is. That's a positive. None of us have the faintest idea what his real motives are and we have no way to find out.
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    Re: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    America is a country without a culture, there are a huge number of America hating foreigners infesting this country that need to be watched. We didn't have these problems when we had a common culture. Increased suspicion and the need for more surveillance is a natural and necessary result of multi-culturalism. Liberalism has taken America from a country where most people didn't even lock their front door when they left home to a country where everyone views their strange neighbors with suspicion. It is these people who should be watched that now complain that they are being watched.
    I'm sorry, Ray, but America has always been the "melting pot" on cultures; there has never been one culture in this country. We have had people from Irish; German; French; Italian; Spanish; Chinese; Japanese; Dutch; etc; that has came in to this country throughout it's history that it ain't silly, and for you to suggest that Liberalism is causing us to be frightened of something that has always been with us is quite illogical.
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    Re: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make

    #1- FISA's good ****

    #2- The US doesn't have a culture? lol
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    Re: Oversight Amendments to FISA Crumble in US Senate: Obama, Democrats Push to Make

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    this administration has been a real disappointment in the area of civil liberties.
    Agreed. No serious candidate has been an alternative in this area, unfortunately.

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