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The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS [W:49]

Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

You can document this?

Tha Black Panthers, the Weather Underground, Jonestown, the 1919 bombings, the assassimation of JFK. That's just for starters.
 
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Tha Black Panthers, the Weather Underground, Jonestown, the 1919 bombings, the assassimation of JFK. That's just for starters.

So that would be a no. Hint: documentation would be linking to actual evidence.
 
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So that would be a no. Hint: documentation would be linking to actual evidence.

I actually have to document those events?
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

I actually have to document those events?

No, but you have to document a comparison with abortion clinic bombings and so on. Pardon me if I do not take your word for it. So far you have offered no evidence your claim was true.
 
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No, but you have to document a comparison with abortion clinic bombings and so on. Pardon me if I do not take your word for it. So far you have offered no evidence your claim was true.
Um, no, I don't. That's your job to refute my argument. That's why it's called, "debate".
 
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Um, no, I don't. That's your job to refute my argument. That's why it's called, "debate".

You are the one who originally made the assertion that it was solely left-wing movements that were responsible for terrorism, thus the burden of proof is on you to back up your assertion.
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

Anarchist mix themselves into social movements. I am not sure why that is shocking to people. I have heard stories of them using the WTO protests for years to incite violence as most of the protesters seem to otherwise be girls who hate their families and guys who want to sleep with the girls who hate their families.
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

Considering all the domestic damage OWS was responsible for, I find it to be a no-brainer that the FBI was keeping tabs on them...especially since it was started by a foreigner.

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yea protesting against the banks and corporations who have caused 1000 times more "domestic damage" is really a irresponsible act.
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

It's a sad commentary that engaging in the political process, especially a grass-roots movement, is grounds to suspect terrorism. Not that movements oughtn't to be monitored. That's basically a technological inevitability at this point. But not because of terrorism. Just because it's a thing that's going on. No need to involve the notions of terrorism at all unless something actually happens. Neither the aforementioned Tea Party or the OWS movement have been involved of any actions that remotely resemble terrorism. The government can watch them all it likes, but there's no reason to start treating them like a terrorist threat.
 
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Um, no, I don't. That's your job to refute my argument. That's why it's called, "debate".


See a shrink. Perhaps you can get that fixed. Links, called links, must support positions, otherwise said poster is suspected of ineptitude, moral turpitude, ideological stagnation, or more commonly just plain stupidity. It's not for me to determine, the onus is upon the poster.
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

You are the one who originally made the assertion that it was solely left-wing movements that were responsible for terrorism, thus the burden of proof is on you to back up your assertion.

No sir, I never made any such comment. What I said was,

That's because most of the terrorism that has occured in the United States since the late 19th Century has come from Left wing social justice movements.

Allow me to demonstrate:

Assassination of William McKinley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1919 United States anarchist bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wall Street bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Symbionese Liberation Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Weatherman (aka Weather Underground) -- Profile of Domestic Terrorism Group Weatherman

Black Panthers

Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

History of Soviet and Russian espionage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

See a shrink. Perhaps you can get that fixed. Links, called links, must support positions, otherwise said poster is suspected of ineptitude, moral turpitude, ideological stagnation, or more commonly just plain stupidity. It's not for me to determine, the onus is upon the poster.

It's your turn to refute what I've posted and stop with the personal attacks.
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

All happened during the rise of anarchism and the rise of radical ideas back in the early 20's... To use this as an example as why we should monitor left wing group is like saying we should still monitor the south for they might still want to rebel against the union again.

Yea they got real far kidnapping a lady and robbed some banks. Really sounds like a revolutionary left wing army :roll: But kidnapping a lady and demanding that the poor be fed..

Black Panthers were terrorists? They armed themselves because the police would not protect the black people. They set up food banks and community events for children and people of the African community.


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Yes the OWS was definatly an neo-soviet organization.


thing is i can sit here and list a bunch of violent groups and acts inacted by right wing groups as well. Would you like me to do that?
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

All happened during the rise of anarchism and the rise of radical ideas back in the early 20's... To use this as an example as why we should monitor left wing group is like saying we should still monitor the south for they might still want to rebel against the union again.


Yea they got real far kidnapping a lady and robbed some banks. Really sounds like a revolutionary left wing army :roll: But kidnapping a lady and demanding that the poor be fed..


Black Panthers were terrorists? They armed themselves because the police would not protect the black people. They set up food banks and community events for children and people of the African community.



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Yes the OWS was definatly an neo-soviet organization.


thing is i can sit here and list a bunch of violent groups and acts inacted by right wing groups as well. Would you like me to do that?[/QUOTE]

Glad to see that you condone Left Wing violence. Great Job!

thing is i can sit here and list a bunch of violent groups and acts inacted by right wing groups as well. Would you like me to do that?

Go for it! I don't think you can come close, because if you would, you already would have done it.
 
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That's all you got?
Yea the oklahmoa city bombing is "all i got":roll: which cost the lifes of 169 people and over 680 people injured is "all i got"
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This is a pathetic argument about which side is "more violent". You seriously wanna go to that argument? In reality bud both sides have and had their violent factions unless you really wanna go down this pathetic argument then go right ahead.
 
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Yea the oklahmoa city bombing is "all i got":roll: which cost the lifes of 169 people and over 680 people injured is "all i got"
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This is a pathetic argument about which side is "more violent". You seriously wanna go to that argument? In reality bud both sides have and had their violent factions unless you really wanna go down this pathetic argument then go right ahead.

The number of attacks from Right wing loons pales in comparison to those committed by Left wingers.

BTW, don't call me bud.
 
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The number of attacks from Right wing loons pales in comparison to those committed by Left wingers.

BTW, don't call me bud.

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yup whatever looks like you wanna play this game bud.
 
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yup whatever looks like you wanna play this game bud.

I made a statement, you asked for proof, I gave it to you, now that you failed you want to start name calling. Nothing new there.
 
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I made a statement,
I responded to that statement.

you asked for proof,
I asked for proof regarding how the OWS movement was a "neo-soviet" movement, and you have yet to give that proof.

I gave it to you,
No you havent given me any proof or anything. All you said was "is that the best you got?"

now that you failed you want to start name calling. Nothing new there.
I havent called you any names.


Also you have yet to answer where i condoned violence.
 
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Um, no, I don't. That's your job to refute my argument. That's why it's called, "debate".

No, actually it is the job of the person making a claim to defend it. You have failed to do that.
 
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Personal attacks stop now, period.
 
Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

The number of attacks from Right wing loons pales in comparison to those committed by Left wingers.

BTW, don't call me bud.

Does that mean you are in full bloom, not a bud. Where's your link?
 
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