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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    That does not sound in line with libertarian philosophy.
    well I've heard that, big if you think that libertarianism just is a way for big buisiness to continue its domination of society then fine, I agree.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS [W:49

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Watch @: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS from Its Earliest Days

    Typical. Any left wing social justice movement is always treated as a "potential terrorist threat" here in the US. Each and every time a left wing movement has gotten steam and became popular in the US its always a "potential threat", civil rights, anti war movement, labor movement. You have the freedom to protest apparently only under the careful watch of the FBI in this country. Big brother at its finest.
    Depends... sometimes theres listening in, and other times theres oppressing. This was not oppressive.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL okay so you moved the bar and bring racism into the framework... /clap.

    Islamic radicals are conservative.. they are right wing. They are no different than the radical right Christians out there.. they believe the same things. And since the US right embraced the radical religious right 30 or so years ago, then they own them pure and simple.

    Islamic radicals are against change, they are against freedom (which conservatives are too when it comes down to things) and want to dominate others.. all aspects of uncontrolled right wing rule. You and your brothers/sisters might want to deny this, but it is a historical fact.

    Lets look at the differences.

    The conservative right is against homosexuals.. so are the Islamist.
    The conservative right is against womens rights.. so are the Islamists.
    The conservative right hates change.. so are do the Islamists.
    The conservative right like to dominate minorities.. so do Islamists.
    The conservative right thinks they are good and rightous because they give to charity and help the "poor".. so do the Islamists.
    The conservative right blames everyone else but themselves for bad things... so do the Islamists.

    The only place where conservatives and Islamists might differ is on economics.. and that is purely because the Islamists dont have many economic ideas..
    Bull**** like this is why people dont consider you credible Pete.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS [W:49

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
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    Watch @: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS from Its Earliest Days

    Typical. Any left wing social justice movement is always treated as a "potential terrorist threat" here in the US. Each and every time a left wing movement has gotten steam and became popular in the US its always a "potential threat", civil rights, anti war movement, labor movement. You have the freedom to protest apparently only under the careful watch of the FBI in this country. Big brother at its finest.
    Ummm...of course. Any radical movement is treated as a potential terrorist threat. Why wouldn't they?
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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    How many times in the past 30 years has a radical Christian blown up a bunch of people?

    After you answer that, tell me how many times, in the past 30 years, a radical Islamic has blown up a bunch of people.

    That's the only difference that matters...not any of the other stuff you mentioned. BTW, all that other stuff you mentioned is pure hogwash...pure hyperbolic stereotyping...just plain wrong.
    A radical jihadist and a radical christian would fight for the same thing. If they're not then theres a problem... with your tv.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by GS†ab3L View Post
    A radical jihadist and a radical christian would fight for the same thing. If they're not then theres a problem... with your tv.
    I asked PeteEU for facts.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    How many times in the past 30 years has a radical Christian blown up a bunch of people?
    I don't know about blowing people up but there are plenty of Christian terrorist groups in Africa, India, and Ireland which have committed horrific crimes. The anti-choice Christian nutters have collectively engaged in 2,849 murders, attempted murders, death threats, assaults, bombings, attempted bombings, arsons, attempted arsons, and acts of vandalism in the United States over the years.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    what radical christian groups are operating in India?

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS [W:49

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Ummm...of course. Any radical movement is treated as a potential terrorist threat. Why wouldn't they?
    Because they are exercising their right to protest. If any protest is now considered a "potential terrorist threat" that says a lot about where our country is headed.


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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS [W:49

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Because they are exercising their right to protest. If any protest is now considered a "potential terrorist threat" that says a lot about where our country is headed.
    Uhhh...does that right preclude authorities from monitoring them? Where?

    Do you have an issue with authorities monitoring KKK or anti-abortion rallies?
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