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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Um, no, I don't. That's your job to refute my argument. That's why it's called, "debate".
    You are the one who originally made the assertion that it was solely left-wing movements that were responsible for terrorism, thus the burden of proof is on you to back up your assertion.
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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Anarchist mix themselves into social movements. I am not sure why that is shocking to people. I have heard stories of them using the WTO protests for years to incite violence as most of the protesters seem to otherwise be girls who hate their families and guys who want to sleep with the girls who hate their families.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Considering all the domestic damage OWS was responsible for, I find it to be a no-brainer that the FBI was keeping tabs on them...especially since it was started by a foreigner.

    yea protesting against the banks and corporations who have caused 1000 times more "domestic damage" is really a irresponsible act.


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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    It's a sad commentary that engaging in the political process, especially a grass-roots movement, is grounds to suspect terrorism. Not that movements oughtn't to be monitored. That's basically a technological inevitability at this point. But not because of terrorism. Just because it's a thing that's going on. No need to involve the notions of terrorism at all unless something actually happens. Neither the aforementioned Tea Party or the OWS movement have been involved of any actions that remotely resemble terrorism. The government can watch them all it likes, but there's no reason to start treating them like a terrorist threat.
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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Um, no, I don't. That's your job to refute my argument. That's why it's called, "debate".

    See a shrink. Perhaps you can get that fixed. Links, called links, must support positions, otherwise said poster is suspected of ineptitude, moral turpitude, ideological stagnation, or more commonly just plain stupidity. It's not for me to determine, the onus is upon the poster.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You are the one who originally made the assertion that it was solely left-wing movements that were responsible for terrorism, thus the burden of proof is on you to back up your assertion.
    No sir, I never made any such comment. What I said was,

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's because most of the terrorism that has occured in the United States since the late 19th Century has come from Left wing social justice movements.
    Allow me to demonstrate:

    Assassination of William McKinley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    1919 United States anarchist bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Wall Street bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Symbionese Liberation Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Weatherman (aka Weather Underground) -- Profile of Domestic Terrorism Group Weatherman

    Black Panthers

    Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    History of Soviet and Russian espionage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    See a shrink. Perhaps you can get that fixed. Links, called links, must support positions, otherwise said poster is suspected of ineptitude, moral turpitude, ideological stagnation, or more commonly just plain stupidity. It's not for me to determine, the onus is upon the poster.
    It's your turn to refute what I've posted and stop with the personal attacks.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    All happened during the rise of anarchism and the rise of radical ideas back in the early 20's... To use this as an example as why we should monitor left wing group is like saying we should still monitor the south for they might still want to rebel against the union again.

    Yea they got real far kidnapping a lady and robbed some banks. Really sounds like a revolutionary left wing army But kidnapping a lady and demanding that the poor be fed..

    Black Panthers were terrorists? They armed themselves because the police would not protect the black people. They set up food banks and community events for children and people of the African community.





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    Yes the OWS was definatly an neo-soviet organization.


    thing is i can sit here and list a bunch of violent groups and acts inacted by right wing groups as well. Would you like me to do that?


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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    All happened during the rise of anarchism and the rise of radical ideas back in the early 20's... To use this as an example as why we should monitor left wing group is like saying we should still monitor the south for they might still want to rebel against the union again.


    Yea they got real far kidnapping a lady and robbed some banks. Really sounds like a revolutionary left wing army But kidnapping a lady and demanding that the poor be fed..


    Black Panthers were terrorists? They armed themselves because the police would not protect the black people. They set up food banks and community events for children and people of the African community.







    Yes the OWS was definatly an neo-soviet organization.


    thing is i can sit here and list a bunch of violent groups and acts inacted by right wing groups as well. Would you like me to do that?[/QUOTE]

    Glad to see that you condone Left Wing violence. Great Job!

    thing is i can sit here and list a bunch of violent groups and acts inacted by right wing groups as well. Would you like me to do that?
    Go for it! I don't think you can come close, because if you would, you already would have done it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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