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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS [W:49

    Quote Originally Posted by GS†ab3L View Post
    Depends... sometimes theres listening in, and other times theres oppressing. This was not oppressive.
    It very much was
    Revealed: how the FBI coordinated the crackdown on Occupy | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk


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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I don't know about blowing people up but there are plenty of Christian terrorist groups in Africa, India, and Ireland which have committed horrific crimes. The anti-choice Christian nutters have collectively engaged in 2,849 murders, attempted murders, death threats, assaults, bombings, attempted bombings, arsons, attempted arsons, and acts of vandalism in the United States over the years.
    Okay...good. A fact. Now compare that to radical islamist murders. Make your case, based on the numbers, that radical christians and radical islamists are one and the same.
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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Okay...good. A fact. Now compare that to radical islamist murders. Make your case, based on the numbers, that radical christians and radical islamists are one and the same.
    The fact that both radical Christians and radical Muslims engage in abuses of basic human rights is not in dispute. I doubt anyone sits around quantifying victims of global actions of sectarian violence. Personally, I find the actions of the radical Christian terrorist group, the LRA, to be far more egregious. Kidnapping in the range of 100,000 children to serve as child soldiers and sex slaves is far worse than anything I can think of that a radical Muslim group has done.
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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    In the interest of fairness, you might want to clarify that the LRA is a Ugandan group whose crimes are in no way representative of global Christianity.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    In the interest of fairness, you might want to clarify that the LRA is a Ugandan group whose crimes are in no way representative of global Christianity.
    Certainly not global Christianity but a Christian sect nonetheless.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Certainly not global Christianity but a Christian sect nonetheless.
    Right, a murderous sect in Uganda led by a self-professed medium.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Right, a murderous sect in Uganda led by a self-professed medium.
    Whoever he claims to be; his purpose is to turn Uganda into a Christian theocracy. The same can be said of the NLFT in India.
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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Whoever he claims to be; his purpose is to turn Uganda into a Christian theocracy.
    If he's a medium--and he is also regarded internationally as a terrorist, whatever he's calling "Christianity" isn't.

    But don't let me interfere with your obvious agenda here.

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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    If he's a medium--and he is also regarded internationally as a terrorist, whatever he's calling "Christianity" isn't. But don't let me interfere with your obvious agenda here.
    Thats a common argument. You don't like what he is doing therefore you proclaim that he is not Christian. You may disagree with his interpretation of Christianity but there are tens of thousands of different sects of Christianity and not all of them conform to a cookie-cutter mold. If people ceased to be Christians or Muslims just because they did something one sect found to be a sin then there would be no Christians or Muslims. My only "agenda" here is to point out the fact that Islam isn't the only religion to have violent extremist elements committing atrocities the world over.
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    Re: The FBI vs. Occupy: Secret Docs Reveal "Counterterrorism" Monitoring of OWS

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Thats a common argument. You don't like what he is doing therefore you proclaim that he is not Christian. You may disagree with his interpretation of Christianity but there are tens of thousands of different sects of Christianity and not all of them conform to a cookie-cutter mold. If people ceased to be Christians or Muslims just because they did something one sect found to be a sin then there would be no Christians or Muslims. My only "agenda" here is to point out the fact that Islam isn't the only religion to have violent extremist elements committing atrocities the world over.
    No, sir, that's not your only agenda. And, of course, you could've come right out and just said this. Instead, you thought you'd seize this cheap and failed little opportunity.

    Someone who is a self-proclaimed medium is highly unlikely to be a Christian. Someone who encourages barbarism, has been charged with crimes against humanity, and has encouraged the sexual abuse of thousands of little kids definitely isn't either a "Christian" or a "Muslim," however he styles himself.

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