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Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

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This is kind of funny in a way and a perfect example of how our liberal government works, first they give you a tax break to encourage you to "do the right thing" then they tax you extra because you did "the right thing". They will get their ounce of blood you can be sure of that.

"Washington State has found a way to make up for revenue lost from owners of electric cars: everyone who took advantage of the thousands of dollars in federal and state incentives to purchase a gas-free vehicle will now be charged a $100 annual fee."

Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners
 
This is kind of funny in a way and a perfect example of how our liberal government works, first they give you a tax break to encourage you to "do the right thing" then they tax you extra because you did "the right thing". They will get their ounce of blood you can be sure of that.

"Washington State has found a way to make up for revenue lost from owners of electric cars: everyone who took advantage of the thousands of dollars in federal and state incentives to purchase a gas-free vehicle will now be charged a $100 annual fee."

Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

I don't know if those individuals were duped....they drive on roads...therefore they should be paying to maintain those roads.

Based on the source article individuals with non-electric cars pay on average 200 dollars in gas tax.
 
This is kind of funny in a way and a perfect example of how our liberal government works, first they give you a tax break to encourage you to "do the right thing" then they tax you extra because you did "the right thing". They will get their ounce of blood you can be sure of that.

"Washington State has found a way to make up for revenue lost from owners of electric cars: everyone who took advantage of the thousands of dollars in federal and state incentives to purchase a gas-free vehicle will now be charged a $100 annual fee."

Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

Would this be the same liberal crew that taxes our wages to support out of wedlock childbirth to HS dropouts as an investment in our future? The same logic that says taxation of income, based upon how that income was not spent, is Constitutional, could easily justify an alternate road use taxation scheme, not enirely based on the amount of motor fuel used. I share your "shock" at how moronic gov't logic is, but they will always justify their actions as "for the common good" no matter how little common sense is involved. Vote for morons, live with their decisions, that is the American way.
 
I don't know if those individuals were duped....they drive on roads...therefore they should be paying to maintain those roads.

Based on the source article individuals with non-electric cars pay on average 200 dollars in gas tax.

Maybe not duped but your initial 1000k tax credit evaporates in 10 years with the new tax. On second thought duped may be the right word.
 
I don't know if those individuals were duped....they drive on roads...therefore they should be paying to maintain those roads.

Based on the source article individuals with non-electric cars pay on average 200 dollars in gas tax.

We are always told that these car/truck motor fuel taxes "support our roadways" but that is far from true, since a good bit of that is siphoned off for supporting urban "public transit" at huge discounts for the city folks, while shifting the costs to the suburban/country folks.
 
Maybe not duped but your initial 1000k tax credit evaporates in 10 years with the new tax. On second thought duped may be the right word.

So you believe that if you buy an electric car you no longer have an obligation to provide revenue to fund the roads you drive on?
 
it's still too soon. let more people choose electric before taxing it. we stand to gain a lot more money long term by beginning a stepwise transition from oil as soon as possible. we also should start expanding our grid.
 
Maybe not duped but your initial 1000k tax credit evaporates in 10 years with the new tax. On second thought duped may be the right word.

Oh no....10 years! Duped? L2math. If the average gas car pays more than 100 bucks/year in gas taxes (and from the source article "Washington's gas tax stands at 37.5 cents per gallon, and is the state's largest source of transportation dollars. It costs the average motorist, driving roughly 12,000 miles in a vehicle that gets 23 mpg, about $200 a year."); they're still coming out ahead of the game. So they still save about 100 bucks per year on tax, and in 10 years (assuming the same tax rate, which of course wouldn't be the case), they'd save 1000 dollars.
 
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it's still too soon. let more people choose electric before taxing it. we stand to gain a lot more money long term by beginning a stepwise transition from oil as soon as possible. we also should start expanding our grid.

Better that oil? Depends on the generating source; energy doesn't make itself you know.
 
So you believe that if you buy an electric car you no longer have an obligation to provide revenue to fund the roads you drive on?

I believe offering you a 1000 buck tax break without at the same time informing the buyer he will be taxed a 100 bucks a year is deceitful and is typical socialism, give with one hand while taking with the other.
 
We are always told that these car/truck motor fuel taxes "support our roadways" but that is far from true, since a good bit of that is siphoned off for supporting urban "public transit" at huge discounts for the city folks, while shifting the costs to the suburban/country folks.

I use to drive 20 miles one way to highschool. I lived in the country. Even on the larger side I'll say that 1200 people at most lived on that 20 mile stretch of highway. Most closer to the city. The portion I lived on it's much closer to say 200 or so down an additional 10 mile stretch.

There's no way that the 200 or so people that lived out as far as I did sufficiently paid for the upkeep of the miles of road we drove daily.
 
I believe offering you a 1000 buck tax break without at the same time informing the buyer he will be taxed a 100 bucks a year is deceitful and is typical socialism, give with one hand while taking with the other.

I believe this is a retarded statement. People got breaks on homes too, and yet have to pay property tax....is that deceitful socialism? That giant organ that occupies the space between your ears, you must engage it.
 
Oh no....10 years! Duped? L2math. If the average gas car pays more than 100 bucks/year in gas taxes; they're still coming out ahead of the game. Duh!

So you honestly think the 100 bucks a year is the end game? I assure you it is just the beginning and soon elec car drivers will be taxed by the mile to make up for the tax they would have paid in a gas vehicle. "Duh"!
 
Better that oil? Depends on the generating source; energy doesn't make itself you know.

yes. oil is finite, fungible, and economically volatile. it's only artificially cheap; when one adds in the national resources we've spent to maintain access to it, the price is much higher. it's my opinion that we need to plan for what's next. electric / hybrid can be a stepping stone.
 
So you honestly think the 100 bucks a year is the end game? I assure you it is just the beginning and soon elec car drivers will be taxed by the mile to make up for the tax they would have paid in a gas vehicle. "Duh"!

Of course not. The state is still losing 100 bucks/year on those guys; and the government always gets paid.
 
I believe offering you a 1000 buck tax break without at the same time informing the buyer he will be taxed a 100 bucks a year is deceitful and is typical socialism, give with one hand while taking with the other.

Is it taking? You make it seem as if electric car owners are getting nothing for the 100 dollars. The 1,000 dollar break is still theirs. The Breitbart article words it so that the 100 dollars is to get back the 1,000 dollar tax rebate. The origional article makes it clear that it's how individuals that don't pay gas tax are to pay their fair share of road maintaince.

Unless you think as more and more individuals get electric cars they should just raise gas taxes on those that still use fuel. You'd be bitching about that to. Government is damned if they do, damned if they dont.
 
yes. oil is finite, fungible, and economically volatile. it's only artificially cheap; when one adds in the national resources we've spent to maintain access to it, the price is much higher. it's my opinion that we need to plan for what's next. electric / hybrid can be a stepping stone.

But what form? Battery technology is terrible, as it stands the best way we have of storing energy is still pumping water uphill. Energy generation is a lot of coal, some nuclear, water, and to lesser extents wind and solar. Barring solar, all energy production comes down to spinning a wheel. The electricity which powers electric cars doesn't just appear, it must be generated, transported, and stored. And in all that, how much pollution is created?
 
Maybe not duped but your initial 1000k tax credit evaporates in 10 years with the new tax. On second thought duped may be the right word.

+ 1000 tax credit
+ 2000 non-payment of road taxes from the purchase of gasoline (10 years)
- 1000 payment of road tax by electric vehicle over ten years
+ 2000 net financial advantage to electric car buyer


those stupid fools who allowed themselves to get duped
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But what form? Battery technology is terrible, as it stands the best way we have of storing energy is still pumping water uphill. Energy generation is a lot of coal, some nuclear, water, and to lesser extents wind and solar. Barring solar, all energy production comes down to spinning a wheel. The electricity which powers electric cars doesn't just appear, it must be generated, transported, and stored. And in all that, how much pollution is created?

if it were up to me, i'd choose nuclear (possibly thorium,) wind, wave, and solar. none would be immediately profitable, so it would have to be done through public / private partnerships. however, it is a national security issue, and it's a steal considering the amount of resources we have devoted to guarding global access to oil; not to mention the potential costs of burning large amounts of carbon-based fuels long term.
 
So you believe that if you buy an electric car you no longer have an obligation to provide revenue to fund the roads you drive on?

That's what the state led people to believe. Don't lie to people about a tax break, then turn around and hit thosr owners with a fee anyway. Do you condone that kijd of dishonesy from the government?
 
That's what the state led people to believe. Don't lie to people about a tax break, then turn around and hit thosr owners with a fee anyway. Do you condone that kijd of dishonesy from the government?

The tax rebate was on the purchase of an electric car. The 100 dollar fee is a tax on driving that car on public roads. Those are two different things.
 
That's what the state led people to believe. Don't lie to people about a tax break, then turn around and hit thosr owners with a fee anyway. Do you condone that kijd of dishonesy from the government?

until you show us a cite confirming the state told electric car buyers they would no longer incur their share of the costs of on-going road maintenance, i call bull **** that is 'what the state led people to believe'

the dishonesty is yours, alleging the state to have expressed what it did not
 
That's what the state led people to believe. Don't lie to people about a tax break, then turn around and hit thosr owners with a fee anyway. Do you condone that kijd of dishonesy from the government?

i think that people calling for "dishonesty" and "socialism" on this specific case are really scrapping the bottom of the barrel. They still save 100 bucks/year on gas taxes. That won't stand for long since these drivers do still use the roads and contribute to the wear and tear and gas taxes are apparently where the predominate road taxes come in.
 
Is it taking? You make it seem as if electric car owners are getting nothing for the 100 dollars. The 1,000 dollar break is still theirs. The Breitbart article words it so that the 100 dollars is to get back the 1,000 dollar tax rebate. The origional article makes it clear that it's how individuals that don't pay gas tax are to pay their fair share of road maintaince.

Unless you think as more and more individuals get electric cars they should just raise gas taxes on those that still use fuel. You'd be bitching about that to. Government is damned if they do, damned if they dont.

I would say it is the tax payer that is damned if they do damned if they don't.
 
until you show us a cite confirming the state told electric car buyers they would no longer incur their share of the costs of on-going road maintenance, i call bull **** that is 'what the state led people to believe'

the dishonesty is yours, alleging the state to have expressed what it did not

You are the one stating elec car buyers were told they would get a 1000k tax break up front AND were told at the same time they would pay an extra tax of 100 bucks a year. Prove it.
 
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