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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    We are always told that these car/truck motor fuel taxes "support our roadways" but that is far from true, since a good bit of that is siphoned off for supporting urban "public transit" at huge discounts for the city folks, while shifting the costs to the suburban/country folks.
    I use to drive 20 miles one way to highschool. I lived in the country. Even on the larger side I'll say that 1200 people at most lived on that 20 mile stretch of highway. Most closer to the city. The portion I lived on it's much closer to say 200 or so down an additional 10 mile stretch.

    There's no way that the 200 or so people that lived out as far as I did sufficiently paid for the upkeep of the miles of road we drove daily.
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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I believe offering you a 1000 buck tax break without at the same time informing the buyer he will be taxed a 100 bucks a year is deceitful and is typical socialism, give with one hand while taking with the other.
    I believe this is a retarded statement. People got breaks on homes too, and yet have to pay property tax....is that deceitful socialism? That giant organ that occupies the space between your ears, you must engage it.
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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oh no....10 years! Duped? L2math. If the average gas car pays more than 100 bucks/year in gas taxes; they're still coming out ahead of the game. Duh!
    So you honestly think the 100 bucks a year is the end game? I assure you it is just the beginning and soon elec car drivers will be taxed by the mile to make up for the tax they would have paid in a gas vehicle. "Duh"!

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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Better that oil? Depends on the generating source; energy doesn't make itself you know.
    yes. oil is finite, fungible, and economically volatile. it's only artificially cheap; when one adds in the national resources we've spent to maintain access to it, the price is much higher. it's my opinion that we need to plan for what's next. electric / hybrid can be a stepping stone.

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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So you honestly think the 100 bucks a year is the end game? I assure you it is just the beginning and soon elec car drivers will be taxed by the mile to make up for the tax they would have paid in a gas vehicle. "Duh"!
    Of course not. The state is still losing 100 bucks/year on those guys; and the government always gets paid.
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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I believe offering you a 1000 buck tax break without at the same time informing the buyer he will be taxed a 100 bucks a year is deceitful and is typical socialism, give with one hand while taking with the other.
    Is it taking? You make it seem as if electric car owners are getting nothing for the 100 dollars. The 1,000 dollar break is still theirs. The Breitbart article words it so that the 100 dollars is to get back the 1,000 dollar tax rebate. The origional article makes it clear that it's how individuals that don't pay gas tax are to pay their fair share of road maintaince.

    Unless you think as more and more individuals get electric cars they should just raise gas taxes on those that still use fuel. You'd be bitching about that to. Government is damned if they do, damned if they dont.
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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    yes. oil is finite, fungible, and economically volatile. it's only artificially cheap; when one adds in the national resources we've spent to maintain access to it, the price is much higher. it's my opinion that we need to plan for what's next. electric / hybrid can be a stepping stone.
    But what form? Battery technology is terrible, as it stands the best way we have of storing energy is still pumping water uphill. Energy generation is a lot of coal, some nuclear, water, and to lesser extents wind and solar. Barring solar, all energy production comes down to spinning a wheel. The electricity which powers electric cars doesn't just appear, it must be generated, transported, and stored. And in all that, how much pollution is created?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Maybe not duped but your initial 1000k tax credit evaporates in 10 years with the new tax. On second thought duped may be the right word.
    + 1000 tax credit
    + 2000 non-payment of road taxes from the purchase of gasoline (10 years)
    - 1000 payment of road tax by electric vehicle over ten years
    + 2000 net financial advantage to electric car buyer


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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But what form? Battery technology is terrible, as it stands the best way we have of storing energy is still pumping water uphill. Energy generation is a lot of coal, some nuclear, water, and to lesser extents wind and solar. Barring solar, all energy production comes down to spinning a wheel. The electricity which powers electric cars doesn't just appear, it must be generated, transported, and stored. And in all that, how much pollution is created?
    if it were up to me, i'd choose nuclear (possibly thorium,) wind, wave, and solar. none would be immediately profitable, so it would have to be done through public / private partnerships. however, it is a national security issue, and it's a steal considering the amount of resources we have devoted to guarding global access to oil; not to mention the potential costs of burning large amounts of carbon-based fuels long term.

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    Re: Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    So you believe that if you buy an electric car you no longer have an obligation to provide revenue to fund the roads you drive on?
    That's what the state led people to believe. Don't lie to people about a tax break, then turn around and hit thosr owners with a fee anyway. Do you condone that kijd of dishonesy from the government?
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