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Washington State Pushes Electric Cars, Then Taxes Owners

You are the one stating elec car buyers were told they would get a 1000k tax break up front AND were told at the same time they would pay an extra tax of 100 bucks a year. Prove it.
'prove it' is right
prove i said this:
You are the one stating elec car buyers were told they would get a 1000k tax break up front AND were told at the same time they would pay an extra tax of 100 bucks a year
and if you can't, a retraction is in order
at least it would be from an honest poster
 
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So you believe that if you buy an electric car you no longer have an obligation to provide revenue to fund the roads you drive on?

He's against whatever you are for.
 
So you believe that if you buy an electric car you no longer have an obligation to provide revenue to fund the roads you drive on?

No such obligation exists to begin with.
 
I would say it is the tax payer that is damned if they do damned if they don't.

damned if they do and half damned if they don't... ;)

Using breitbart as a fair, unbiased source is sad. Fact is a tax break on purchase isn't the same as over the road tax. Everyone who uses the road needs to pay for the road. Or do you think some are privileged and don't have to help pay for the road?

Interesting you think we are damned for having to pay for road maintenance. Are we also damned for paying to maintain a national defense?
 
So...everyone that utilizes public transportation should also be hit with this tax, right?

Tax em...by all means. First they paid twice as much for the electric car (and taxes on said purchase), then they paid for the utilities to charge said car (and taxes), so of course an additional tax should be in order.
 
No such obligation exists to begin with.

if not those who drive on the roads, who should be responsible for the costs of road building and maintenance
 
I believe offering you a 1000 buck tax break without at the same time informing the buyer he will be taxed a 100 bucks a year is deceitful and is typical socialism, give with one hand while taking with the other.

Yeah, but you believe everything is socialism.
 
if not those who drive on the roads, who should be responsible for the costs of road building and maintenance

There is no reason to assume there is an obligation to pay for something you never asked for nor is there any reason to assume taxing someone for future use which may not occur is justified. Just like there is no logic behind taxing someone a fixed rate using the argument that they must pay for what they use when you are not taking into account the amount of use in question. A fee of a $100 dollars is a joke and in no way shape or form supports their argument that one must pay for what they use. In order to support their argument that one must pay for what they use they would have charge people on the spot or otherwise they are either just using a fixed rate which doesn't match reality or if they are doing it after the fact they would have to guess where the use took place.
 
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The gas tax is a usage tax, i.e. the more you drive on the roads and contribute to wear and tear, the more tax you pay toward their upkeep. For those that rarely drive, or perhaps have multiple cars (and only drive one at a time), a gas tax makes a lot of sense.... but a flat rate tax does not.

How many of these electric vehicles were second vehicles in the household, or perhaps purchased by the elderly who rarely drive?
 
if not those who drive on the roads, who should be responsible for the costs of road building and maintenance
Pedestrians...bicycle riders...everyone...right? Perhaps they should eliminate the gas tax and tax every citizen on their annual tax returns for road and sidewalk maintenance.
 
Pedestrians...bicycle riders...everyone...right? Perhaps they should eliminate the gas tax and tax every citizen on their annual tax returns for road and sidewalk maintenance.

explain for us why electric vehicle owners should be exempt from participating in the payment of road use taxes
 
explain for us why electric vehicle owners should be exempt from participating in the payment of road use taxes
Explain why pedestrians shouldnt. Bike riders. Im on your side, man...I say tax the **** out of all of them. No problem. The state taxed them during the sale, and taxes them during vehicle registration, and taxes them for the electricity to charge them...but hey...since they cant hit em with a commodities tax they WILL find another way. Tax em all...Bubba. Never let the opportunity to slip in a new tax go to waste.
 
Explain why pedestrians shouldnt. Bike riders. Im on your side, man...I say tax the **** out of all of them. No problem. The state taxed them during the sale, and taxes them during vehicle registration, and taxes them for the electricity to charge them...but hey...since they cant hit em with a commodities tax they WILL find another way. Tax em all...Bubba. Never let the opportunity to slip in a new tax go to waste.

good. i'm glad we agree
owners of electric autos should incur a road use tax
and the OP's lament is unjustified
 
good. i'm glad we agree
owners of electric autos should incur a road use tax
and the OP's lament is unjustified
Not just the electric car users, though...right? Bike riders...pedestrians...and people that use public transportation. EVERYONE...right?
And they ARE getting taxed. They are taxed for the electricity to charge their cars. Funny you keep ignoring that as well.
 
The tax rebate was on the purchase of an electric car. The 100 dollar fee is a tax on driving that car on public roads. Those are two different things.

Did the buyers know, going into it that were going to get slapped with a flat fee?
 
until you show us a cite confirming the state told electric car buyers they would no longer incur their share of the costs of on-going road maintenance, i call bull **** that is 'what the state led people to believe'

the dishonesty is yours, alleging the state to have expressed what it did not

Show us where the state informed these people tjat they would be smacked with a fee in leau of paying sales taxes.
 
Did the buyers know, going into it that were going to get slapped with a flat fee?


was the law on the books before or after they purchased their auto
that will answer your question in each instance

now, a question back at you:
what does answering your question add to this discussion
 
Did the buyers know, going into it that were going to get slapped with a flat fee?

No because this new incentive didn't exist at the time the tax credit did, and by the way no one is getting "slapped" yet as its not law yet.

 
Show us where the state informed these people tjat they would be smacked with a fee in leau of paying sales taxes.

OMG....can you turn this ant hill into any bigger a mole hill? Government takes money all the time, it raises taxes and assesses new fees all the time. This line of whining arguments of yours about this is just plain stupid and you're trying to make a partisan case out of the government taking more money. The government taking our money ain't partisan, it's par for the course. Quit being such a drama queen.
 
Did the buyers know, going into it that were going to get slapped with a flat fee?

So as more individuals switch to electric cars should those still using gas be taxed higher to make up for lost revenue? I'm all for that scenario. For some reason I see conservative moaning and complaining because it sounds just like version of a carbon tax. You seem to be making the argument that upkeep of the roads should be only levied for individuals that use gasoline? Or do you think gas taxes aren't about road maintaince? I'm so confused, in the rush by conservatives to make some kind of convuluted joke about liberals or electric cars you seem to be making an argument that absolved electric car owners of road maintance.
 
Well apparently the state of Washington believes there is. If you drive on the roads of Washington then you are obligated to contribute in some way to their upkeep.

Their argument has no bearing to the transaction being undertaken and the payment they feel should paid. It also is an extremely weak argument for a fee not adjusted for the actual use of the item in question. If they are not taking into account how much someone uses the roads than they are not trying to actually determine the amount of wear and tear a driver is having on the roads or even if they are on the roads to begin with. Therefore, the argument that it is going towards this wear and tear is entirely inaccurate as they have no idea what to even charge nor are they even trying to charge people to cover the damage. All it is doing assuming it goes to the roads at all is going in a pot that they have no idea if it will come out to cover any repair costs or not.

All that really here is a fairness argument that says if you are using the roads you must pay and nothing really else. The only way a system of paying for the damages would work in this case is either charge them when they use the roads or charge them based on miles driven. The former people hate as it involves more tolls, while the later people hate as it is a violation of privacy. Flat fees are simply stupid and do nothing but appease people.
 
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Their argument has no bearing to the transaction being undertaken and the payment they feel should paid. It also is an extremely weak argument for a fee not adjusted for the actual use of the item in question.

That's generally the function of government...to provide goods and services that are not easily provided as fee for service. Sure we could turn US roads and interstates into toll booth hell. Thank God we don't.
 
That's generally the function of government...to provide goods and services that are not easily provided as fee for service. Sure we could turn US roads and interstates into toll booth hell. Thank God we don't.

Well if your argument is they must pay for what they use nothing else really works unless you violate their privacy.
 
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