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    Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit Own

    What goes around comes around.

    Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit Owners | TechCrunch
    A week after the Newtown massacre, The Journal News published an interactive Google Map with the names and addresses of gun permit owners in select New York cities. The bold move has escalated into a transparency arms race, after a Connecticut lawyer posted the phone number and addresses of the Journal‘s staff, including a Google Maps satellite Image of the Publisher’s home. “I don’t know whether the Journal’s publisher Janet Hasson is a permit holder herself, but here’s how to find her to ask,” read Christopher Fountain’s blog post. The double irony here is that open data was heralded as a tool of enlightened civic dialog, and has been co-opted for fierce partisanship, bordering on public endangerment.
    The Journal‘s original publication of the map sparked nationwide outrage and thousands of angry comments. Gun permit holding is public information in New York, and can be acquired through a mere request via the Freedom of Information Act. But, coming on the heals of the Newtown shooting, the publication had a clear provocative intent. “New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information,” said a defiant Hasson.
    Given that Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle used in the School shooting was reportedly legally registered with the killer’s mother, the Google Map sparked a debate about whether gun owners should be labeled like other potential menaces to society, “The implications are mind-boggling,” said Marine Scott F. Williams to The Journal News, “It’s as if gun owners are sex offenders (and) to own a handgun risks exposure as if one is a sex offender. It’s, in my mind, crazy.”


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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Responding to childish bull by partaking in childish bull. Instead of being the better person, right?

    And its not like the gun permit owners were at any risk, other than having their privacy violated; the staff of the Journal ARE at risk to having direct revenge taken upon them. Good idea in jeopardising the safety of tonnes of people many people are apparently angry with.

    The man who posted this information is as much and idiot at deserves are much scrutiny as those that posted the gun-permit owners' information.
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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Responding to childish bull by partaking in childish bull. Instead of being the better person, right?

    And its not like the gun permit owners were at any risk, other than having their privacy violated; the staff of the Journal ARE at risk to having direct revenge taken upon them. Good idea in jeopardising the safety of tonnes of people many people are apparently angry with.

    The man who posted this information is as much and idiot at deserves are much scrutiny as those that posted the gun-permit owners' information.
    I disagree. some gun hungry robber might well target say a single woman with a gun permit

    paybacks are bitch and sometimes well deserved

    this is one of them

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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What goes around comes around.

    Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit Owners | TechCrunch
    A week after the Newtown massacre, The Journal News published an interactive Google Map with the names and addresses of gun permit owners in select New York cities. The bold move has escalated into a transparency arms race, after a Connecticut lawyer posted the phone number and addresses of the Journal‘s staff, including a Google Maps satellite Image of the Publisher’s home. “I don’t know whether the Journal’s publisher Janet Hasson is a permit holder herself, but here’s how to find her to ask,” read Christopher Fountain’s blog post. The double irony here is that open data was heralded as a tool of enlightened civic dialog, and has been co-opted for fierce partisanship, bordering on public endangerment.
    The Journal‘s original publication of the map sparked nationwide outrage and thousands of angry comments. Gun permit holding is public information in New York, and can be acquired through a mere request via the Freedom of Information Act. But, coming on the heals of the Newtown shooting, the publication had a clear provocative intent. “New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information,” said a defiant Hasson.
    Given that Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle used in the School shooting was reportedly legally registered with the killer’s mother, the Google Map sparked a debate about whether gun owners should be labeled like other potential menaces to society, “The implications are mind-boggling,” said Marine Scott F. Williams to The Journal News, “It’s as if gun owners are sex offenders (and) to own a handgun risks exposure as if one is a sex offender. It’s, in my mind, crazy.”


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    While I understand that a lot of this could be public information, it shouldn't be published in this manner. We need to start reasserting our 4th amendment rights.
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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Responding to childish bull by partaking in childish bull. Instead of being the better person, right?

    And its not like the gun permit owners were at any risk, other than having their privacy violated; the staff of the Journal ARE at risk to having direct revenge taken upon them. Good idea in jeopardising the safety of tonnes of people many people are apparently angry with.

    The man who posted this information is as much and idiot at deserves are much scrutiny as those that posted the gun-permit owners' information.
    The permit owners are at risk because now criminals who specifically steal weapons from houses can more easily target people.

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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    The permit owners are at risk because now criminals who specifically steal weapons from houses can more easily target people.
    And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
    I am not worried that a permit holder would go shoot a journalist

    I am worried that a robber who specializes in violent home invasions will target someone who has weapons knowing they have weapons and maybe shooting them in the back when they open their door or shoot them as they walk out their door

    one of the reasons to carry concealed is to surprise a robber

    its sort of like my late great uncle used to do-he commanded a merchant marine fleet running stuff to the Russians. the german u boats often surfaced to get a better shot figuring merchant marine fleets didn't have escorts early in the war. so the good captain had a couple freighters with false sides that concealed a bunch of 20MM or Double Fifty HMG. the sub came up and the 20MM gunners cut it in half

    now if the Nazis knew that one of the ships was a gunboat they would have torpedoed it in the middle of the night from a distance

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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    And the many angry people now have exact names, addresses and other personal information of the people who made them angry. This is not at all concerning to you?!
    Sure, that is problematic as well. I was just correcting your assertion that the permit owners who were originally revealed were not at risk. They are at risk for the reason I stated. Do you concede this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am not worried that a permit holder would go shoot a journalist

    I am worried that a robber who specializes in violent home invasions will target someone who has weapons knowing they have weapons and maybe shooting them in the back when they open their door or shoot them as they walk out their door

    one of the reasons to carry concealed is to surprise a robber

    its sort of like my late great uncle used to do-he commanded a merchant marine fleet running stuff to the Russians. the german u boats often surfaced to get a better shot figuring merchant marine fleets didn't have escorts early in the war. so the good captain had a couple freighters with false sides that concealed a bunch of 20MM or Double Fifty HMG. the sub came up and the 20MM gunners cut it in half

    now if the Nazis knew that one of the ships was a gunboat they would have torpedoed it in the middle of the night from a distance
    That is a terrible analogy, but I see what you're trying to get at. I agree now, the original action of posting gun permit holders name was stupid, but this sort of retaliation of potentially putting even more people at risk equally or even more stupid.
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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Sure, that is problematic as well. I was just correcting your assertion that the permit owners who were originally revealed were not at risk. They are at risk for the reason I stated. Do you concede this?
    Yes, yes I do.
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