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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    AH...then surely if their actions did not engdanger the lives of gun owners, then the reciprocal action cant possibly be a threat to them. Now it is just a complementary breach of privacy.
    Besides, you never know when someone needs to get important information to someone with that newspaper to expose illegal or corrupt activities. They really should additionally post where those who work for the newspaper shop, what they drive with photos of their cars and license plates, what restaurants they eat at, and if possible their home phone numbers, and certainly photos of their spouses.

    Ideally, people who lives across the street close can put up a continuously live-online-feed video of their houses to know if they are home or not - just in case someone really needs to get hot press info to them after hours so needs to know if they are home. Of course, for privacy, the backs and sides of their houses shouldn't be on live stream or video at all - and the video should state so.

    Privacy laws only apply to government, not individuals.
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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

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    Anyone who tramples our civil rights should do so the peril of their personal safety.
    Thanks for adding fear and fuel to the anti movement.
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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The reporters are the action arm of the gun ban crowd. Or...did you think they were being all friendly a nicey nice by posting the identity of gun owners? No...wait...you agreed they were intentionally putting them at risk.
    No I didn't agree to that at all. And when you use the phrase action you make it sound like they are all working together or something.

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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Thanks for adding fear and fuel to the anti movement.
    The anti'constitutional rights movement? You're welcome!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You've said time and again that the Constitutoon only applies to the government.
    Alright, fair enough. The Constitution does restrict the government, yet that doesn't mean any individual may infringe upon the rights of another in the first place. As such in this case, I don't think the government should have this listed as public record. In fact given my stated opinion that we shouldn't have concealed weapons permits in the first place, that concealed and open carry should be assumed standard (like Vermont), the government shouldn't have record. But given that this is public record and people can look it up; I do not think the publishing of private addresses either by the press or in response to the the press should be allowed. The 4th amendment is one of the most attacked and whittled down of all our rights and I think that we should reassert its position and importance.
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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Alright, fair enough. The Constitution does restrict the government, yet that doesn't mean any individual may infringe upon the rights of another in the first place. As such in this case, I don't think the government should have this listed as public record. In fact given my stated opinion that we shouldn't have concealed weapons permits in the first place, that concealed and open carry should be assumed standard (like Vermont), the government shouldn't have record. But given that this is public record and people can look it up; I do not think the publishing of private addresses either by the press or in response to the the press should be allowed. The 4th amendment is one of the most attacked and whittled down of all our rights and I think that we should reassert its position and importance.
    All the time, or just the times when you disagree with the rights infringment?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All the time, or just the times when you disagree with the rights infringment?
    I'd hope the former, though obviously there are likely scenarios when the statement of absolute breaks down. One has right to life, you cannot murder. One has right to property, you may not steal. One has right to secure their person, papers, and effects against unreasonable search and seizure, things such as identity theft are out. These would be restrictions on the individual (as well the government) In this scenario, I think it is solved by the restriction on the government, that being they should not be allowed to permit concealed carry. One has right to keep and bear arms; you shouldn't need the government's permission. The list shouldn't exist in the first place (and likely many of the lists the government keeps). But even given that it is, and given that it is public record, I do not agree with the publishing of addresses (even though it can be looked up). It seems to beg the action. The press should not be allowed to publish the addresses of permit holders, the response should not have happened either.
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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    No I didn't agree to that at all. And when you use the phrase action you make it sound like they are all working together or something.
    Pick a position willya?

    "But I agree that their actions did, it increased the danger to the people in that map from criminals AND the people not on the map because now they have a much better idea of who does and does not have a gun, in fact I made a whole topic about it."

    And you DONT think they are working together? REALLY? Just...happy coincidence for your side.

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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Pick a position willya?

    "But I agree that their actions did, it increased the danger to the people in that map from criminals AND the people not on the map because now they have a much better idea of who does and does not have a gun, in fact I made a whole topic about it."

    And you DONT think they are working together? REALLY? Just...happy coincidence for your side.
    You're missing a key word from your quotation of me, I did not use the word intentionally while you did. I'm not convinced that putting people in danger was their intent, although I do agree that did happen.

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    Re: Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    No I didn't agree to that at all. And when you use the phrase action you make it sound like they are all working together or something.
    Funny how when someone uses his or her firearm to prevent or stop a crime the media either ignores such stories or give them only a token mention. The media doesn't plaster the hero's name and photo all over the news. The media doesn't ponder why that person used his firearm to stop or prevent a crime.The media doesn't mention what weapon he or she used to stop those criminals.The media doesn't mention that magazine capacity of that person's weapon. The media doesn't care what hobbies that person has. They media doesn't interview the people he or she saved to ask stupid questions like "are you glad he saved you" or "how are you felling". The doesn't give a soap box to every 2nd amendment advocate saying we need to encourage more firearm ownership or that we need to repeal anti-2nd amendment laws, nor do reporters pondering those questions. If the media isn't working with anti-2ndamendment loons then it must be one hell of a coincidence. Because when someone murders a bunch of people in a mass shooting the media behaves the exact opposite.
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