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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You mean Connecticut had no restrictions on guns?

    You need to ask Frank Luntz that question

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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I will keep that in mind the next time your party clamors for "gay rights" or "minority rights" etc

    and many people who own guns don't make it a habit of saying so given the Dems' jihad against gun ownership and gun owners
    sorry but facts are what facts are.
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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    sorry but facts are what facts are.
    the fact is-many gun owners claim not to own guns

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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    sorry but facts are what facts are.
    Opinion or random sample, anonymous polls are not "facts" they are surveys of whoever answers the phone. No verification or follow up is done. Poll me and see for yourself.
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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Opinion or random sample, anonymous polls are not "facts" they are surveys of whoever answers the phone. No verification or follow up is done. Poll me and see for yourself.
    i know its true because I know people who bought guns from a dealer I represent later told others they owned no guns

    and I know when Cincinnati required people to register any "assault weapons" they wanted to keep legally, less than one hundred were registered yet I saw owners at the gun clubs I belong to using those rifles that they never registered

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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Opinion or random sample, anonymous polls are not "facts" they are surveys of whoever answers the phone. No verification or follow up is done. Poll me and see for yourself.
    So if the polls are wrong when a gun person says most people don't want firearm restrictions then we should not believe them? Just checking because if the polls are not accurate then we should have a vote on it and see what happens.

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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So if the polls are wrong when a gun person says most people don't want firearm restrictions then we should not believe them? Just checking because if the polls are not accurate then we should have a vote on it and see what happens.
    constitutional rights are not subject to a vote-especially when most of those who would support what you want are either stupid, emotobabbling or unlearned about the subject

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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So if the polls are wrong when a gun person says most people don't want firearm restrictions then we should not believe them? Just checking because if the polls are not accurate then we should have a vote on it and see what happens.
    That is the idea behind our representative democracy. You tell your congress critters what you think and they just may opt to vote that way. One problem is that many are scarcely interested in what some individual voter may think, but very well aware of what the campaign cash providers say their "proper" opinion on a given matter should be. Another factor is that many run saying one thing but actually favor another (or simply don't care at all) and, for a generous enough "after office" employment offer, they may even decide to commit political suicide for that offer and vote "oddly".
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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    constitutional rights are not subject to a vote-especially when most of those who would support what you want are either stupid, emotobabbling or unlearned about the subject
    Unfortunately nearly anything can be called either "commerce" or "tax" related and magically become Constitutional, like PPACA. I would never have believed that education is an enumerated federal power (since education is not mentioned in the constitution at all), yet the ED is now the fastest growing, cabinet level, federal department.
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    Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is the idea behind our representative democracy. You tell your congress critters what you think and they just may opt to vote that way. One problem is that many are scarcely interested in what some individual voter may think, but very well aware of what the campaign cash providers say their "proper" opinion on a given matter should be. Another factor is that many run saying one thing but actually favor another (or simply don't care at all) and, for a generous enough "after office" employment offer, they may even decide to commit political suicide for that offer and vote "oddly".
    yeah, the NRA does have this way of getting cash every time a bloody shooting comes around. gee, could it be they have a vested interest in school shootings?

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