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Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards At

Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

Thank you. That is indeed the proper way to go about a gun ban or massive infringement, to do it the direct and Constitutional way. If more federal power is desired then that is absolutely the correct method of getting it. No more court packing or dictionary searching to try to justify the unjustifiable, go for the gold!

Actually, from what i understand to do that you would need to ratify a new constitution. A bit much of a workload just to go for some gun ban or regulations. Amending the present constitution is doable also, and much easier. I would personally be up for a brand new constitution to remove many of the present problems and tweak some of our present system. I think the head of the executive should be a small committee of 5-9 people. I think all elected officials should be allowed free web space, but that we should eliminate huge campaigning entirely. We never had the web way back during colonial days, and now we have an easy way to get information out cheaply. judges should not be affiliated with any party or party lines, and ther terms should be limited to 15 years max.

buit i ramble way off topic here. Congress is able to pass the laws, the president is able to sign them into existence, and finally we have judicial review of those laws. That is a legitimate way to put a new law into the works. The courts would be where arguments about it being an infringement on the rights of the people would be made. It is good enough for anything else, and it should be good enough here. If you are afraid of not being heard join the club with the gays who have been trying to get DOMA reviewed by the supreme court who has refused to hear anything on it until recently. Congress and the president pass unconstitutional laws that violate rights all the time. We even had sexism and racism enshrined in the original constitution which we have removed. You are trying to put gun laws above every other type of law we have. let it go through the procedure and see what happens. it may not even get pass congress.
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

the fact is-many gun owners claim not to own guns

those sort to things tend to balance out in polls like this as people lie the other way also. this poll was done by gallup and they have a year or two of experience in these matters.
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

Opinion or random sample, anonymous polls are not "facts" they are surveys of whoever answers the phone. No verification or follow up is done. Poll me and see for yourself. ;)

The results of a poll do represent facts. It is a fact that the poll produced a certain result. Do you know of a better count of gun owners in America? I would be happy to look at it.

The Gallup organization has a little bit of experience in this matters .

So if the numbers do not come out the way you want - you attack the process. I believe Romney and the Fox "experts" also recently did the same thing. How did that turn out for them?
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards


Oh, come on! Did you actually read the article?

More than three-quarters of influential Iowa Republicans responding to the latest Patch Red Iowa Survey support having armed guards in schools.

Of the 26 respondents, 46 percent strongly agreed and 31 percent somewhat agreed that armed guards should be in schools, while 11.5 percent somewhat disagreed and 11.5 percent strongly disagreed.

National polling seems to favor more gun control. The Pew Research Center found that more Americans now believe that controlling gun ownership is a bigger priority than protecting the right to own firearms and a CBS News poll found more people now believe stricter gun control is needed. The USA Today/Gallup Poll found most favor stricter gun laws, but most oppose banning assault weapons

As much as some people may like to paint all left leaning people as "totally against guns" I feel like most just want a decent amount of control involved with those who own them. I, myself, am a primarily democratic voter who owns more guns than fingers I have on one hand. I just hate it when someone tries to cherry pick an article that doesn't even REALLY support the argument they are trying to make! (ridiculously small sample group being the most obvious problem)
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

Wrong. Barack Obama is the PR firm for gun manufacturers and suppliers.

Then the NRA should love him.
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

I will keep that in mind the next time your party clamors for "gay rights" or "minority rights" etc

and many people who own guns don't make it a habit of saying so given the Dems' jihad against gun ownership and gun owners

Ugh jesus man this rhetoric is so old, do you have to take everything to the extreme like this?
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

Ugh jesus man this rhetoric is so old, do you have to take everything to the extreme like this?

do you HONESTLY think that Obama or Schumer of Feinstein really think their stupid attacks on gun rights will impact those who premeditate massive capital murder cases
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

do you HONESTLY think that Obama or Schumer of Feinstein really think their stupid attacks on gun rights will impact those who premeditate massive capital murder cases

No I think they are using that reason as a front because they want to be able to intrude into your life at will without you having the ability to resist.

Yes I do believe they believe that.
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

No I think they are using that reason as a front because they want to be able to intrude into your life at will without you having the ability to resist.

Yes I do believe they believe that.

Well then they must be really stupid.
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

do you HONESTLY think that Obama or Schumer of Feinstein really think their stupid attacks on gun rights will impact those who premeditate massive capital murder cases

Do you HONESTLY think that anyone is fooled by this blatant attempt at diverting attention from your ridiculous rhetoric?
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

That's true. MOST Americans support gun control. MOST Americans own guns. The NRA is the PR firm for gun manufacturers and corporations so they WANT more profits over peoples' lives.

been saying this very thing for years.
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

"I don’t think the NRA is listening. I don’t think that they understand," Luntz continued. "Most Americans would protect the Second Amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not every human being should own a gun, not every gun should be available at anytime, anywhere, for anyone. That at gun shows, you should not be able to buy something there and then without any kind of check whatsoever. What they're looking for is a common-sense approach that says that those who are law-abiding should continue to have the right to own a weapon, but that you don’t believe the right should be extended to everyone at every time for every type of weapon.”


When Frank "death taxes" Luntz says Conservatives aren't making sense, you know they're in trouble.
 
Re: Frank Luntz, GOP Pollster: The NRA Isn't Listening With Proposal For Armed Guards

Do you HONESTLY think that anyone is fooled by this blatant attempt at diverting attention from your ridiculous rhetoric?

I think it's a good question. And no, I don't think that those who are trying to enact gun control legislation think that for a single minute. They're counting on the naive and credulous to believe them, though. ;)
 
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