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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    mate scraping the barrel! If we could get rid of cancer we would so not sure how your comment works in that argument.
    I am saying getting rid of cancer in the near future is about as realistic as getting rid of guns

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    They've been working on a cure for cancer. It's not like you suddenly thought of it.
    Liberals and democrats have been trying to ban guns for years. it started with the racists in the Klan and then the anti-papists in New England.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

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    I agree and I would agree if a liberal politician or a teaparty politician or group said the same thing.

    It is impossible to keep all schools and all kids safe from nutjobs, cant be done. We as society can only minimize it and to do that we have to give up some liberty and do some things many find distasteful, but the end result if it keeps kids even a little safer that it may be worth it. The risk and cost vs results has to be decided.

    Some ideas off the top of my head, all doors locked into the school once the kids are inside. Entrance and exit from one door only with an armed guard with metal detectors or at the minimum paddles. All personel, students, parents an ups delivery men and women all get paddled. Windows either barred or the safety glass that has wire mesh in the middle if you shoot it out you still cant get in. Bullet proof glass would cost hugely.
    Anyone that believes a ban on assault weapons is going to stope school shootings is as off as the nutjobs that commit those horrific crimes.
    Someone armed with a revolver with speed loaders can kill a whole bunch of people in a school before he was stopped. There are people that can speed load revolvers as fast as you can drop a clip and throw in a new one.
    Security in every school is the only way to minimize this slaughter...arming teachers that are in individual classrooms is only good in that room...you need armed security that moves everywhere, the bigger the school the more security. America either has to PAY to keep the kids safe and make some distasteful decisions...or keep pissing up a rope whining about gun control that wont work.
    Where I disagree is putting working Police Officers in every school...You can hire retired police officers and have them supervise and train a staff if needed for far less of a cost.

    The National Rifle Association stunned Washington observers Friday when the group’s CEO announced a plan to install armed guards at every school in the country — its response to the Connecticut shooting last week that left 20 children dead.
    Who is going to protect the children and adults from the armed guards? I mean, part of the reason people feel we need guns is to protect ourselves from the police and the government. Would protecting against armed guards not be in the same line of thinking.
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Who is going to protect the children and adults from the armed guards? I mean, part of the reason people feel we need guns is to protect ourselves from the police and the government. Would protecting against armed guards not be in the same line of thinking.
    I suppose anybody could snap...but my kids' schools did have armed police officers (over ten years ago in the case of one of them), and nothing ever happened. Can you direct me to examples of school security guards losing it and shooting up a school?

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Who is going to protect the children and adults from the armed guards? I mean, part of the reason people feel we need guns is to protect ourselves from the police and the government. Would protecting against armed guards not be in the same line of thinking.
    that is an interesting question coming from someone who thinks only the cops and criminals should be armed since you are on record as wanting to ban all private ownership of weapons meaning cops and criminals will still have them

    WHO WILL PROTECT US FROM CRIMINALS AND WORSE YET=ROGUE POLICE OFFICERS

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is an interesting question coming from someone who thinks only the cops and criminals should be armed since you are on record as wanting to ban all private ownership of weapons meaning cops and criminals will still have them

    WHO WILL PROTECT US FROM CRIMINALS AND WORSE YET=ROGUE POLICE OFFICERS
    I am curious of the thought process behind putting armed guards in schools. It is not my opinion that we should put them there, I am curious as to why people feel that putting armed guards in schools is any different than a police officer on the street that we need to protect ourselves from.
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I am curious of the thought process behind putting armed guards in schools. It is not my opinion that we should put them there, I am curious as to why people feel that putting armed guards in schools is any different than a police officer on the street that we need to protect ourselves from.
    I can think of several reasons. Just one is drug dealers. Yes, Capster, there are 13-year old drug dealers and prostitutes who also go to school.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I am curious of the thought process behind putting armed guards in schools. It is not my opinion that we should put them there, I am curious as to why people feel that putting armed guards in schools is any different than a police officer on the street that we need to protect ourselves from.
    I guess the thinking comes from me having studied active shooting scenarios and the mind set of the cowards who are active shooters combined with the fact that people who plan mass murder sprees are not going to be prevented by laws that threaten post-action punishment

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I can think of several reasons. Just one is drug dealers. Yes, Capster, there are 13-year old drug dealers and prostitutes who also go to school.
    Yes, but who would be there to protect the kids right to illegal search and seizure, or a guard that has a power trip... This is one reason many die hard gun owners use to justify the ownership of firearms. So we don't want to live in a society where the citizens are disarmed and the government is armed, but we are willing to send our children to schools with armed police and no protection. That seems a bit contradictory.
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Yes, but who would be there to protect the kids right to illegal search and seizure, or a guard that has a power trip... This is one reason many die hard gun owners use to justify the ownership of firearms. So we don't want to live in a society where the citizens are disarmed and the government is armed, but we are willing to send our children to schools with armed police and no protection. That seems a bit contradictory.
    Kinda weird your thinking that kids need protection from their police resource officers. This isn't to say that those cops couldn't illegally search-and-seize or whack out, but can you point to examples that support your concern?

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