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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    which is why America has such a high gun murder rate....
    So how did having the strictest and most bans in the country for over 50 years help out here in home of Liberaldumb. (Chicago)? Just how did coming up with all those laws and more restrictions and doing all they could to prevent gun ownership in the City of Chicago work out with those so called numbers that the left likes to cite? What happened? Violence was suppose to go down? Shootings were suppose to stop? Murder rates were suppose to go down. Where are the rationals and excuses? Crime was suppose to be reduced.

    Hell Chicago even had it at one time that none could carry a handgun in the city and it didn't matter what the Fed said. None but L.E's and those Occupations that required such. Notice that didn't work either? Just what did happen?

    Course I am sure those in California, and Massachusetts can say pretty much the same?

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    There was an armed guard at Colorado school, and still people were killed.
    And fewer than otherwise would have been. People are alive today who were students that day because Columbine had an armed first responder.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
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    Adjusting for population, the U.S. death rate by firearms -- which includes homicides, suicide and accidents -- was 10.2 per 100,000 people in 2009, according to the Coalition for Gun Control. The closest developed country was Finland, with a firearms death rate of 4.47 per 100,000 people in 2008, less than half that of the U.S. rate. In Canada, the rate was 2.5 per 100,000 people in 2009. In the United Kingdom, the 2011 rate was 0.25 per 100,000 people.

    That's a weapon effect.
    That is incorrect. The higher rates of violence and murder in the US are unchanged when you control for guns. Yes, we kill more people with guns. We also kill more people with knives, baseball bats, kitchen appliances, cars....

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    You ever heard of Dunblane

    Dunblane school massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The UK's reponse was to restrict firearms and ban handguns. Since then we have had 0 mass school shootings.


    that is really a bogus argument given you only had ONE mass shooting prior to the moronic response of punishing legal handgun owners

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    which is why America has such a high gun murder rate....

    horsecrap, murder rates have been steadily declining as the number of guns in private circulation have increased. Our rate of gun murder rate among white americans is lower than the rate among white Europeans. Black and latino inner city drug gang murders make up a vast majority of the gun related deaths: more than 75% of those killed with guns and those who kill with guns have criminal records. In other words, people who cannot legally own guns (or narcotics for that matter)

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
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    Adjusting for population, the U.S. death rate by firearms -- which includes homicides, suicide and accidents -- was 10.2 per 100,000 people in 2009, according to the Coalition for Gun Control. The closest developed country was Finland, with a firearms death rate of 4.47 per 100,000 people in 2008, less than half that of the U.S. rate. In Canada, the rate was 2.5 per 100,000 people in 2009. In the United Kingdom, the 2011 rate was 0.25 per 100,000 people.

    That's a weapon effect. It's not clear that guns cause violence, but it's absolutely clear that they change the outcome
    what does suicide have to do with it? and get rid of black drug murders and what is the rate?

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Armed guards are a great idea, IMO. Far better to have a few well trained people with weapons than to have everybody carrying a gun.

    If you think armed teachers are the solution, I point this out: Ft. Hood is a military base. It's not like the shooter was the only guy with a weapon there.
    I thought that the locale in which Hasan opened fire did not allow weapons.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    One of the NRA's biggest mantras is that US citizens need guns to protect themselves from the government and perhaps even over throw it if required, but their response to this school shooting is to demand that the government get both bigger and carry more guns?

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    One of the NRA's biggest mantras is that US citizens need guns to protect themselves from the government and perhaps even over throw it if required, but their response to this school shooting is to demand that the government get both bigger and carry more guns?

    UH police officers already carry guns-its allocation but I disagree with the NRA on this
    staff members ought to do what I do

    get training
    get a CCW
    continue to practice

    most of the people who attend (I get 16 hours of formal training a year, do another 200 or so on my own with my son and wife) the place I do are far more competent to deal with an active shooter than most police officers

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What in the heck guarantees that a trained security guard wouldn't ever freak out? ANYONE can freak out at any time. I don't see a problem with arming a few teachers in the school at all.

    I mean really, you trust teachers with your children all day long.

    Ok...but its not a few theres thousands and thousands and they are not trained security and teaching is their function not security...a few armed teachers is mostly useless

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