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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I agree that security needs to be improved and armed. IMHO having teachers with concealed carry permits in the classroom and around schools is a bad idea. School districts need to forge relationships with local police so both can collaboratively fund school police salaries and equipment.

    One problem with school security is that many school buildings are outdated and campuses are too open. Have security at all entrances and stop vehicles without parking decals visible to security. Exits should be effectively designed for traffic to go out only; try to enter and your tires blow out. Similar to military base entrance/exit security. This will help prevent violence from external sources.

    To prevent internal sources of violence have school police as well as unarmed security like mall security to patrol hallways and perimeter. Have school violence prevention hot lines set up and train counselors in intervention methods to identify and respond to possible threats with school administration, security, police, et al.

    Continually refine and practice lock down and response procedures for acts of violence. This needs to be done bi-monthly, and twice during the first two weeks of school.

    As we have recently seen, no school is too small or too remote to implement and continually practice safety procedures that will save lives.
    Arming all teachers is just ridiculous, we couldnt afford it. First of all to arm all teachers they would first have to be fully Police Commission trained, thats classroom and range and pass qualifications. They would all have to pass psychological tests. What happens to the teachers that cant pass ? you fire them. After they are qualified they would have to qualify twice yearly and get 40 hrs each training. Were talking about being armed around kids. Not only that...and im not knocking teachers here, but there is the occaisional wacko teacher.
    Having trained security thats appropriate for each schools needs is the way to go imo...but we must make physcial security changes as well.

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    All this and more is media driven. MEDIA DRIVEN. The TV population of the US is in a state of controlled hysteria. "We have to protect kids at school! We have to protect kids at school Help! Help!" I agree in part, but I'm not feckin hysterical about it. The first thing Americans must do is STOP listening to and watching electronic media. STOP IT! Think for yourselves. STOP allowing television to dictate your thoughts and your emotions. If you seriously want to make the world better and safer for children, stop watching ANY television news related programming period!

    Electronic media has directed America to focus on protecting kids in schools. Guess what people, the chances that your children will be involved in a school shooting are extremely small. Sure, there should be a hardening of schools as opportunities for mad bastards? Of course. But over 3/4 of a school aged child's life is spent OUTSIDE of school.

    It's madman whack-a-mole when we do not address the real issue. Hardening schools just sends the crazies to softer targets. It only makes children safer from violence at school, where they don't spend most of their time and where the risks remain relatively low.

    God forbid, but it what would stop even greater violence against kids at a Chuckie Cheese? Wait, they don't permit guns in Chuckie Cheese, right?

    Children are a soft target for these sick pukes because they are innocent, not in the least bit organized, and are not focused on self preservation. That's wonderful and that is the way their lives should be. But it makes them vulnerable. Anywhere they are in large groups makes them vulnerable.

    The sickness that would cause violent attacks against any and all innocent people, especially children is a societal one. If America is serious about identifying the social issues and the psychological issues that cause mass murder it will require that deep and honest research and analysis be conducted. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. President Obama has already said that. Washington is going to do a quick evaluation of school security and gun control and will have a report on the President's desk in January. Feel good legislation will eventually be passed. In real terms it will mean next to nothing other than more media air time. In the meantime the real solution will be unknown and will never be addressed.










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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Good grief, we are venturing into absurd territory. First, this is a very expensive solution (aren't we in government cost reduction mode and particularly going after government workers, which include the police? make up your mind, Cons!); second, its doesn't work. There was a Sheriff's deputy at Columbine; a police force at VPI.... a lot of good they did.

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    There are many schools and few police. You simply can not have adequate coverage unless you want to turn Franklin High into Fort Franklin (maybe only build high schools inside Army posts).... Come on, Get real! This has to be one of the dumbest solutions floated thus far. I feel bad for anyone that wasted an afternoon listening to this yahoo from the NRA.

    People that believe that armed guards or armed teachers are the solution to the proliferation of public violence are of limited intellect. The problem is very complex, as are the solutions.

    The broad acceptance of arming our schools as some type of practical "solution" makes it obvious that as a society, we have left our thinking caps in the dryer a bit too long.
    Since this is such a stupid idea, what do you propose?
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually the people he attacked were not allowed to have guns the base was a like a city with no CCW-the only people armed were the small number of MPs and perimeter guards
    Short of a gun in every room, a school shooting isnt going to be any different. Couple guys in a security office who need 5 minutes to figure out where the shooting is even happening.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    And since when do people who believe schools are godless liberal indoctrination camps support arming the indoctrinators?

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    All this and more is media driven. MEDIA DRIVEN. The TV population of the US is in a state of controlled hysteria. "We have to protect kids at school! We have to protect kids at school Help! Help!" I agree in part, but I'm not feckin hysterical about it. The first thing Americans must do is STOP listening to and watching electronic media. STOP IT! Think for yourselves. STOP allowing television to dictate your thoughts and your emotions. If you seriously want to make the world better and safer for children, stop watching ANY television news related programming period!

    Electronic media has directed America to focus on protecting kids in schools. Guess what people, the chances that your children will be involved in a school shooting are extremely small. Sure, there should be a hardening of schools as opportunities for mad bastards? Of course. But over 3/4 of a school aged child's life is spent OUTSIDE of school.

    It's madman whack-a-mole when we do not address the real issue. Hardening schools just sends the crazies to softer targets. It only makes children safer from violence at school, where they don't spend most of their time and where the risks remain relatively low.

    God forbid, but it what would stop even greater violence against kids at a Chuckie Cheese? Wait, they don't permit guns in Chuckie Cheese, right?

    Children are a soft target for these sick pukes because they are innocent, not in the least bit organized, and are not focused on self preservation. That's wonderful and that is the way their lives should be. But it makes them vulnerable. Anywhere they are in large groups makes them vulnerable.

    The sickness that would cause violent attacks against any and all innocent people, especially children is a societal one. If America is serious about identifying the social issues and the psychological issues that cause mass murder it will require that deep and honest research and analysis be conducted. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. President Obama has already said that. Washington is going to do a quick evaluation of school security and gun control and will have a report on the President's desk in January. Feel good legislation will eventually be passed. In real terms it will mean next to nothing other than more media air time. In the meantime the real solution will be unknown and will never be addressed.


    Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.

    The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.

    The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC's David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren't used (and weren't even allowed).....snip~

    School Obama's Daughters Attend Has 11 Armed Guards


    You don't think he already knew? What about the Rest of those Democrats that have known for years with sending their kids to a School they know will be safe?

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Only in America would your response to a tradegy like this is be MORE GUNS. I think Americas obession with guns is getting out of control/ borderline insane.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Only in America would your response to a tradegy like this is be MORE GUNS. I think Americas obession with guns is getting out of control/ borderline insane.
    How else would you stop an insane shooter? Let's hear your plan.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Arming all teachers is just ridiculous, we couldnt afford it. First of all to arm all teachers they would first have to be fully Police Commission trained, thats classroom and range and pass qualifications. They would all have to pass psychological tests. What happens to the teachers that cant pass ? you fire them. After they are qualified they would have to qualify twice yearly and get 40 hrs each training. Were talking about being armed around kids. Not only that...and im not knocking teachers here, but there is the occaisional wacko teacher.
    Having trained security thats appropriate for each schools needs is the way to go imo...but we must make physcial security changes as well.
    What in the heck guarantees that a trained security guard wouldn't ever freak out? ANYONE can freak out at any time. I don't see a problem with arming a few teachers in the school at all.

    I mean really, you trust teachers with your children all day long.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How else would you stop an insane shooter? Let's hear your plan.
    You ever heard of Dunblane

    Dunblane school massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The UK's reponse was to restrict firearms and ban handguns. Since then we have had 0 mass school shootings.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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