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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post

    Hyperbole. Deliberate ignoring facts. Typical lately.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Tell that to the citizens of Newtown.
    Why? With respect to this discussion and more specifically YOUR point are national statistics useless? As to your source I find it quite specious as they cherry picked data to support their assertions; Our review of the academic literature, data from 26 developed countries, ten year period (1988-1997), gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. Note the data I provided was as current as is available from a reputable source…not an opinion…
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    There was an armed officer at Columbine and what good did that do? How about movie theaters and malls too? Maybe we should hire guards to follow every one of us around 24/7?
    Part of the answer is LESS guns and less capable guns not more. More guns=more gun violence.
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Armed guards are a great idea, IMO. Far better to have a few well trained people with weapons than to have everybody carrying a gun.

    If you think armed teachers are the solution, I point this out: Ft. Hood is a military base. It's not like the shooter was the only guy with a weapon there.
    First, I am not aware of anyone making a SERIOUS suggestion that we have ‘everybody carrying a gun’ which I would be firmly against. However I am for anyone who is willing to comply with ‘rules of engagement’, bear the responsibility of their action and agree willingly to engage in concealed carry. The responsibility and commitment to engage is incredibly difficult for folks to accept. Just saying ‘let’s arm all the teachers’ is impractical at the least and impossible (due to the absence of ability/desire of some) at the most.

    As to the Ft. Hood reference, you are aware that MOST folks present on military bases are not armed as they are typically ‘inside’ a secure ‘enclosure’ thus relieving them from having to protect themselves. Considering this IF those accosted, given the training they had received prior, were armed at the time of the incident do you think it would have played out as it did?
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I agree and I would agree if a liberal politician or a teaparty politician or group said the same thing.

    It is impossible to keep all schools and all kids safe from nutjobs, cant be done. We as society can only minimize it and to do that we have to give up some liberty and do some things many find distasteful, but the end result if it keeps kids even a little safer that it may be worth it. The risk and cost vs results has to be decided.

    Some ideas off the top of my head, all doors locked into the school once the kids are inside. Entrance and exit from one door only with an armed guard with metal detectors or at the minimum paddles. All personel, students, parents an ups delivery men and women all get paddled. Windows either barred or the safety glass that has wire mesh in the middle if you shoot it out you still cant get in. Bullet proof glass would cost hugely.
    Anyone that believes a ban on assault weapons is going to stope school shootings is as off as the nutjobs that commit those horrific crimes.
    Someone armed with a revolver with speed loaders can kill a whole bunch of people in a school before he was stopped. There are people that can speed load revolvers as fast as you can drop a clip and throw in a new one.
    Security in every school is the only way to minimize this slaughter...arming teachers that are in individual classrooms is only good in that room...you need armed security that moves everywhere, the bigger the school the more security. America either has to PAY to keep the kids safe and make some distasteful decisions...or keep pissing up a rope whining about gun control that wont work.
    Where I disagree is putting working Police Officers in every school...You can hire retired police officers and have them supervise and train a staff if needed for far less of a cost.

    The National Rifle Association stunned Washington observers Friday when the group’s CEO announced a plan to install armed guards at every school in the country — its response to the Connecticut shooting last week that left 20 children dead.
    There was an armed guard at Colorado school, and still people were killed.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    There was an armed guard at Colorado school, and still people were killed.
    There was also an assault weapons ban.
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    There was also an assault weapons ban.
    I'm talking about Arora, not Columbine.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    I'm talking about Arora, not Columbine.
    That wasn't a school.


    I didn't know theaters had armed guards either. Do you have a source for that?
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    There was an armed guard at Colorado school, and still people were killed.
    Key word Armed Guard...that doesnt get it carleen..if your going to have SECURITY that will be effective you have to do it right...just sticking an armed guard in a school with several doors and windows that can easily be accessed is a waste of money

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Republic Now! View Post
    That wasn't a school.


    I didn't know theaters had armed guards either. Do you have a source for that?
    Sorry, I guess I am confused today. You are right!

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