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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I guess if it such a problem with security people going rogue, we should really worry about the president too. He is surrounded by armed men 24/7 after all.

    yeah one of those secret service guys could go postal

    I have a solution guards to guard the guards to guard the guards

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah one of those secret service guys could go postal

    I have a solution guards to guard the guards to guard the guards

    damn my head hurts

    better call it a night

    good night sweetie, SYL
    Good night TD!

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    her posts seem to be rather logical to me. she raises a good point. I have never worried about going into a facility with an armed guard because I do not plan on engaging in any behavior that would cause such a guard to attack me

    now the chance of him going rogue is about 1/1000 the chance of a criminal engaging in a murderous assault on an unguarded facility
    Ok so your answer is the same as hers then to arm a few teachers instead ? I addressed why its not reasonable to arm a few teachers.
    I also stated along with armed security you need security additions to the physcial plant, like cameras the first tenant of security is the ability to see. Along with any other physical changes necessary.
    You state you dont worry about entering a facility with an armed guard...ok I buy that...so whats the alternative if armed trained security doesnt worry an attacker a few armed teachers in a classroom with 30plus 6 yrs will ? either that or do nothing and leave it like it is with no armed anything and we already know what that gets us right ?
    We are faced with a dilemna of either do nothing and be damned or try something that will at the minimum help. School shooters are not going to disappear on thier own and to just allow them to keep walking in to schools unchallenged to me is out right criminal.
    Im stating that arming a few teachers that are going to be in classrooms with a bunch of kids that they cant just leave is worthless. A teacher in a classroom cannot "SEE" anything cannot see anything before something happens to prevent it.
    So either do nothing or do something that can possibly work...arming a few teachers wont.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ok so your answer is the same as hers then to arm a few teachers instead ? I addressed why its not reasonable to arm a few teachers.
    I also stated along with armed security you need security additions to the physcial plant, like cameras the first tenant of security is the ability to see. Along with any other physical changes necessary.
    You state you dont worry about entering a facility with an armed guard...ok I buy that...so whats the alternative if armed trained security doesnt worry an attacker a few armed teachers in a classroom with 30plus 6 yrs will ? either that or do nothing and leave it like it is with no armed anything and we already know what that gets us right ?
    We are faced with a dilemna of either do nothing and be damned or try something that will at the minimum help. School shooters are not going to disappear on thier own and to just allow them to keep walking in to schools unchallenged to me is out right criminal.
    Im stating that arming a few teachers that are going to be in classrooms with a bunch of kids that they cant just leave is worthless. A teacher in a classroom cannot "SEE" anything cannot see anything before something happens to prevent it.
    So either do nothing or do something that can possibly work...arming a few teachers wont.
    It doesn't matter if they "don't worry the attacker." That is irrelevant. The point is, when some madman tries entering the school as this guy did (by shooting out the windows), then there can be someone there to protect the children. THAT is the point.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It doesn't matter if they "don't worry the attacker." That is irrelevant. The point is, when some madman tries entering the school as this guy did (by shooting out the windows), then there can be someone there to protect the children. THAT is the point.
    The point you are MISSING is that a teacher with a gun in a classroom on the other side of the school will have no CLUE that the guy is inside the school and killing people until after he already has and the teacher finally hears the gunfire...at that point the teacher is WORTHLESS because he cant leave 30+ 6 yr olds by themselves knowing there is someone with a gun out there. Arming a few teachers is worthless chris...
    You need security personel that are well trained, retired law enforcement, military. They need cameras to see all pertinet possible places of ingress..if someone does get in without them seeing and they hear gunfire after immediately dialing 911 they can move unhindered by a class full of kids and do what they can. There are no guarantees and ive said that more than once..and its not foolproof by any stretch...but what is the alternative? do what weve been doing which is NOTHING and continue the open door access to our kids, far easier access than we allow in courthouses and many other buildings..

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ok so your answer is the same as hers then to arm a few teachers instead ? I addressed why its not reasonable to arm a few teachers.
    I also stated along with armed security you need security additions to the physcial plant, like cameras the first tenant of security is the ability to see. Along with any other physical changes necessary.
    You state you dont worry about entering a facility with an armed guard...ok I buy that...so whats the alternative if armed trained security doesnt worry an attacker a few armed teachers in a classroom with 30plus 6 yrs will ? either that or do nothing and leave it like it is with no armed anything and we already know what that gets us right ?
    We are faced with a dilemna of either do nothing and be damned or try something that will at the minimum help. School shooters are not going to disappear on thier own and to just allow them to keep walking in to schools unchallenged to me is out right criminal.
    Im stating that arming a few teachers that are going to be in classrooms with a bunch of kids that they cant just leave is worthless. A teacher in a classroom cannot "SEE" anything cannot see anything before something happens to prevent it.
    So either do nothing or do something that can possibly work...arming a few teachers wont.
    Armed personel won't work? You might want to call the White House and tell them that the 11 armed secret service agents they have gaurding Obama's kids is a waste of time, then.
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Armed personel won't work? You might want to call the White House and tell them that the 11 armed secret service agents they have gaurding Obama's kids is a waste of time, then.
    You didnt read my post or any of them in the thread did you ? or you posted this response to the wrong post.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The point you are MISSING is that a teacher with a gun in a classroom on the other side of the school will have no CLUE that the guy is inside the school and killing people until after he already has and the teacher finally hears the gunfire...at that point the teacher is WORTHLESS because he cant leave 30+ 6 yr olds by themselves knowing there is someone with a gun out there. Arming a few teachers is worthless chris...
    You need security personel that are well trained, retired law enforcement, military. They need cameras to see all pertinet possible places of ingress..if someone does get in without them seeing and they hear gunfire after immediately dialing 911 they can move unhindered by a class full of kids and do what they can. There are no guarantees and ive said that more than once..and its not foolproof by any stretch...but what is the alternative? do what weve been doing which is NOTHING and continue the open door access to our kids, far easier access than we allow in courthouses and many other buildings..
    Agreed. There needs to be designated personnel with biometric access to weaponry and the ability to leave their workspace.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Armed personel won't work? You might want to call the White House and tell them that the 11 armed secret service agents they have gaurding Obama's kids is a waste of time, then.
    Are you really comparing the most highly trained security force on the planet in one of the most secure buildings on the planet to schoolteachers in a building that turns into complete chaos every time a bell rings?
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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Are you really comparing the most highly trained security force on the planet in one of the most secure buildings on the planet to schoolteachers in a building that turns into complete chaos every time a bell rings?
    1) active shooters almost never have any training

    2) active shooters have-in at least 90% of past cases-folded up and died or killed themselves when confronted by any armed resistance

    3) since the active shooter is the instigator of violence, chances are the active shooter will kill or maim at least one or two victims, however having armed response closer to the start of the violence has been proven to save lives in almost every case where there was an armed response

    no solution is going to stop all active shooter casualties but armed staff members has the best chance of LIMITING innocents dying

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