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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

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    I wouldn't know. Public school kid here.
    my condolences

    we had teachers who DID NOT MEET STATE STANDARDS--they didn't have TEACHING DEGREES

    they had masters from Harvard, Williams, and a couple had doctorates from Columbia

    IN THE SUBJECTS They taught

    go figure!!

    they also weren't afraid to throw you through a panel of drywall if you were a jerk (personal experience!) because they knew the parents would back them up rather than scream for a lawyer

    and they didn't wig out when (it was an all boys school when I started) kids knives in their pockets or some of us seniors had shotguns in our cars (the club next to the football field had a skeet range and many of us were members and the village had a gun club that most of the residents belonged to)

    despite all these "disadvantages" my graduating class of about 50 sent a bunch of us to Ivies (3 Brown, 3 Cornell, 3 Columbia and one to Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, and me to Yale), , 10 to equivalents (Stanford,, MIT, Williams, Amherst, Smith, Duke, CT Wesleyan, Vassar).

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    my condolences

    we had teachers who DID NOT MEET STATE STANDARDS--they didn't have TEACHING DEGREES

    they had masters from Harvard, Williams, and a couple had doctorates from Columbia

    IN THE SUBJECTS They taught

    go figure!!

    they also weren't afraid to throw you through a panel of drywall if you were a jerk (personal experience!) because they knew the parents would back them up rather than scream for a lawyer

    and they didn't wig out when (it was an all boys school when I started) kids knives in their pockets or some of us seniors had shotguns in our cars (the club next to the football field had a skeet range and many of us were members and the village had a gun club that most of the residents belonged to)

    despite all these "disadvantages" my graduating class of about 50 sent a bunch of us to Ivies (3 Brown, 3 Cornell, 3 Columbia and one to Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, and me to Yale), , 10 to equivalents (Stanford,, MIT, Williams, Amherst, Smith, Duke, CT Wesleyan, Vassar).
    Well, I'm the girl from the wrong side of the tracks!

    What I bolded: This stuff went on in public school too. I had a teacher who once threw a desk at a kid. He didn't get fired either. I don't know if he was disciplined in another way or not.

    I also had another teacher that would whip a piece of a chalk at your head if you looked like you were spacing out. Then, there was my 3rd-grade teacher who used to squeeze my cheeks with her long fingernails so hard that she would leave marks on my face.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I'm the girl from the wrong side of the tracks!

    What I bolded: This stuff went on in public school too. I had a teacher who once threw a desk at a kid. He didn't get fired either. I don't know if he was disciplined in another way or not.

    I also had another teacher that would whip a piece of a chalk at your head if you looked like you were spacing out. Then, there was my 3rd-grade teacher who used to squeeze my cheeks with her long fingernails so hard that she would leave marks on my face.
    I like the chalk

    in one teacher's room was a poster of DYLAN THOMAS. I went in there one day and saw a few dozen holes and I asked our teacher why the holes

    He said well Mr V was a baseball star at columbia-played AA ball a couple years before he messed up his knee and Jay (the class clown) sits under that poster. Jay's got real fast reflexes (he was the number two shooter behind me on the trap and skeet club team) so when Mr V throws chalk at him he lifts up the desk top and the chalk deflects into the poster!!

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How is it useless? I'm sure they can practice and become efficient with a weapon, and that is why I said a select few. Because more than likely, some teachers already know how to use a firearm.
    Chris, how do you choose and who chooses which teacher gets armed and which does not...isnt a teachers primary concern teaching ? not security. A teacher with a gun is only good in the room hes teaching in ...if he or she hears gunfire you cant leave a classroom with 30+ 6 yr olds to scout out where the gunfire is coming from.....you are also confusing being trained with a firearm and being trained in security...they are two different things...you dont have a cop a gun and say here now you know security...Trained armed security...not armed trained educators.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I like the chalk

    in one teacher's room was a poster of DYLAN THOMAS. I went in there one day and saw a few dozen holes and I asked our teacher why the holes

    He said well Mr V was a baseball star at columbia-played AA ball a couple years before he messed up his knee and Jay (the class clown) sits under that poster. Jay's got real fast reflexes (he was the number two shooter behind me on the trap and skeet club team) so when Mr V throws chalk at him he lifts up the desk top and the chalk deflects into the poster!!
    That's awesome!

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Chris, how do you choose and who chooses which teacher gets armed and which does not...isnt a teachers primary concern teaching ? not security. A teacher with a gun is only good in the room hes teaching in ...if he or she hears gunfire you cant leave a classroom with 30+ 6 yr olds to scout out where the gunfire is coming from.....you are also confusing being trained with a firearm and being trained in security...they are two different things...you dont have a cop a gun and say here now you know security...Trained armed security...not armed trained educators.
    I don't WHY you are so afraid of teachers and guns. If someone has military experience, they most certainly have the experience necessary. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, I'll bet there are some security guards who have MUCH LESS experience than someone who has served. IMO, it is a GOOD idea. If the principal of that school had been armed, she could have shot that DB and put an END to that massacre, but she was UNARMED when she tried to dive at him to stop him. What a shame!!! Some of those kids lives could have been SPARED if someone had a gun!

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    my condolences

    we had teachers who DID NOT MEET STATE STANDARDS--they didn't have TEACHING DEGREES

    they had masters from Harvard, Williams, and a couple had doctorates from Columbia

    IN THE SUBJECTS They taught

    go figure!!

    they also weren't afraid to throw you through a panel of drywall if you were a jerk (personal experience!) because they knew the parents would back them up rather than scream for a lawyer

    and they didn't wig out when (it was an all boys school when I started) kids knives in their pockets or some of us seniors had shotguns in our cars (the club next to the football field had a skeet range and many of us were members and the village had a gun club that most of the residents belonged to)

    despite all these "disadvantages" my graduating class of about 50 sent a bunch of us to Ivies (3 Brown, 3 Cornell, 3 Columbia and one to Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, and me to Yale), , 10 to equivalents (Stanford,, MIT, Williams, Amherst, Smith, Duke, CT Wesleyan, Vassar).
    This is true of the school from which I was graduated too. Hope somebody with facts on the number of male teachers vis-a-vis public vs. private schools will way in. In my observation, teachers at private schools generally are paid less (but as I say, I'm not well informed these days). I can say that when one of my kids attended a private school, I was seriously pressured to join the faculty and for free simply because I had the credentials.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't WHY you are so afraid of teachers and guns. If someone has military experience, they most certainly have the experience necessary. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. In fact, I'll bet there are some security guards who have MUCH LESS experience than someone who has served. IMO, it is a GOOD idea. If the principal of that school had been armed, she could have shot that DB and put an END to that massacre, but she was UNARMED when she tried to dive at him to stop him. What a shame!!! Some of those kids lives could have been SPARED if someone had a gun!
    Im not afraid of anything chris...and ive done all Im willing to do to explain my perspective...you have come to your own conclusions and you seem to believe you know all about arming teachers and security and thats fine

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Im not afraid of anything chris...and ive done all Im willing to do to explain my perspective...you have come to your own conclusions and you seem to believe you know all about arming teachers and security and thats fine
    Do you feel nervous about being shot when you go into a bank with an armed security guard? How about the airport? High-end stores also sometimes hire armed security. There are armed people all around us already. You just don't know it. Same thing with at the schools. I don't see any logical arguments against it at all. Just ridiculous hyperbole.

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    Re: NRA's Newtown solution: Armed guards in schools

    Another thing is that there are already some inner city high schools (the worst of the worst) which have armed security (whether that be the police or just security guards). Heard of any cops or security guards who work in schools freaking out and going on a killing spree?

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