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Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

UtahBill said:
Sanctity of a bedroom? interesting idea.....
A gun should not be in a nightstand drawer...
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Bs! It should be in a place that is easily accessible, as time may be essential.
 
Excon said:
Bs! It should be in a place that is easily accessible, as time may be essential.
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doesn't that also make it easily accessible to children, as may have been the circumstance in instant case
 
wolfman24 said:
That he had a right to do it and it was ok because it would make his school and friends safer. NOT.
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The kid is applying an adult concept when it is inappropriate for a kid. He should know the difference.

It's the powerranger concept... should those teenagers start shooting and killing bad guys even though it's the right thing to do and they have the power to do so? No... but they do it anyway, even though it's inappropriate for a random group of teenagers to do such things.

It's not appropriate for children to do this, because of obvious lack of maturity/skill/discipline.
 
Henrin said:
How about gun safety in a violent video game. XD

It would have to hidden somehow to keep the fun factor, but I would laugh at the sight of it.
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I think i play a swat game yeeeeeeears ago where if you accidentally put anyone on your team into line of sight with the barrel you were penalized. :p Even if you didnt fire on them. If you kept pointing it at them you lost the mission. It was a crappy game though and I cant remember the name of it.
 
MaggieD said:
Noble, really.
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The thought to protect others is noble. Do you deny that?


MaggieD said:
Noble to threaten other children with it. I have to stop myself from being infracted here! :rofl
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Go for it. Get yourself infracted. I don't mind.
We have no idea if he actually did, or if he did, how he relayed it. He may have been making an innocent but factual statement,
No reason to get bent out of shape about it. Yet! Because as you have been so keen to observe he is after all just a child. :doh


MaggieD said:
You and I will continue to disagree. I won't change your mind, but I have certainly cemented my own thinking. And, your position reminds me that some gun owners are completely out of touch with the reality that guns are dangerous weapons in the hands of children.
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Guns can be dangerous in anybodies hands. But some eleven year olds are more than capable of handling them properly. Better than some adults even.


MaggieD said:
Edit: Oh! And my children are not allowed to play at your house. ;) ;)
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Gee, just as we were getting along spectacularly, you want to go and make me feel insulted. :(
 
justabubba said:
doesn't that also make it easily accessible to children, as may have been the circumstance in instant case
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Shouldn't matter if it is.
The kid should know to stay out of their parents bedroom and not touch stuff that he isn't allowed to.
That should be sufficient.
 
Excon said:
Shouldn't matter if it is.
The kid should know to stay out of their parents bedroom and not touch stuff that he isn't allowed to.
That should be sufficient.
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you got me, because we all know kids always do what they are told
 
Lets not be too hard on the poor kid. We have half the right wingers in the land pretending that the solution to our problems are more guns in the hands of more people. Maybe he read some of those posts and took up the advice.
 
celticwar17 said:
The kid is applying an adult concept when it is inappropriate for a kid. He should know the difference.

It's the powerranger concept... should those teenagers start shooting and killing bad guys even though it's the right thing to do and they have the power to do so? No... but they do it anyway, even though it's inappropriate for a random group of teenagers to do such things.

It's not appropriate for children to do this, because of obvious lack of maturity/skill/discipline.
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YOur response is someone an oversimplification. My question stands why did he think that taking a gun to school would make his friends safe or that it was ok to do. Power rangers? Really? Right.
 
iguanaman said:
You mean like in Australia where homicide rates are at all time lows?

homicides_australia_chart.jpg
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Chart means nothing with no numeric information at all.
 
Henrin said:
So basically the argument is that we should restrict the availability of guns so people can't as easily make a decision with their own life. Yeah, that argument is horrible. The argument of impulse suicide while interesting doesn't really change that you are making an argument meant to solely make them make a decision you want when its their life we are dealing with.
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So you are arguing that preventing a disturbed young adult from committing suicide is infringing on his right to bear arms?
You live in another world and one I wouldn't want to even visit.
 
I was referring only to myself. If somebody kicks my door down they'll hurt their foot and the cats and I will be all over them while they're still on one foot. I only suggest this strategy for myself, not for other. I consider the possibility of home invasion to be at very close to zero. But that's just me.

Evenstar said:
Not really. If someone kicks the door down, at least we'll have a fighting chance. I'm not interested in delegating my family's safety to others. That is my job.
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Do you have youngsters in the house? If yes, aren't you worried that easy access might cause blowback? If not, sure, you can have guns anywhere. With advance warning enough, sure, you can prepare but advance warning of what? Who would give you advance warning? The only thing I can think of is civil unrest in which case we will all have time to acquire weapons.

My post was mainly to understand weapon security. How do gun owners with families prevent their younger members from misbehavior such as taking a gun to show off with or worse. I live alone except for the cats and they can't even master can openers, let alone firearms. If they could....I'd have to carry:)

PirateMk1 said:
Biometric controls especially if the intruder is familier with the system used can be bipassed fairly easy. I dont use them because of that. I use electronic security in combination with mechanical security.
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PirateMk1 said:
They are either locked or on my hip. My heavy artillery is locked up seprate from power supplies that take some time to install. Anything I have to deal with that requires their use I will know about with advanced warning, and any idiot wont be able to assemble it and use it. My rifles and personal arms are locked in a gun safes with the munitions stored in a blast rated safes. My pistols are with me or near me with rare exception and there is a safe for them on the rare occasion I am without them.
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Excon said:
Shouldn't matter if it is.
The kid should know to stay out of their parents bedroom and not touch stuff that he isn't allowed to.
That should be sufficient.
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That why they are called kids because they always know what is right and wrong and never make mistakes. Kids are the head of the family.
 
iguanaman said:
So you are arguing that preventing a disturbed young adult from committing suicide is infringing on his right to bear arms?
You live in another world and one I wouldn't want to even visit.
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No. I'm saying your argument is basically people kill themselves and we have the duty to stop them from doing with their life as they see fit. You never establish how or why this duty exists, but instead its just a given and because of this unexplained duty you have given yourself you think it's best to take away their tools for doing it.
 
Henrin said:
No. I'm saying your argument is basically people kill themselves and we have the duty to stop them from doing with their life as they see fit. You never establish how or why this duty exists, but instead its just a given and because of this unexplained duty you have given yourself you think it's best to take away their tools for doing it.
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Because it saves lives. Something that is apparently not a good thing in your mind. The lie that guns make you safe must be debunked and owners need to lock up their weapons or else. There is no excuse for allowing a minor to use your gun without your knowledge and supervision EVER. Anything a child does with their parents guns should be treated the same as if the gun owner did it all by himself.
 
iguanaman said:
Because it saves lives. Something that is apparently not a good thing in your mind.
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Do we not have a right to end our own life? I would say yes we do, but apparently you disagree.

The lie that guns make you safe must be debunked and owners need to lock up their weapons or else. There is no excuse for allowing a minor to use your gun without your knowledge and supervision EVER. Anything a child does with their parents guns should be treated the same as if the gun owner did it all by himself.
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That has nothing to do with our talk we are having.
 
iguanaman said:
Because it saves lives. Something that is apparently not a good thing in your mind. The lie that guns make you safe must be debunked and owners need to lock up their weapons or else. There is no excuse for allowing a minor to use your gun without your knowledge and supervision EVER. Anything a child does with their parents guns should be treated the same as if the gun owner did it all by himself.
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this is assuming that all life is precious..... the people who made today's paper in Phoenix for killing a child
that was in their daycare don't deserve to live. The other couple that scalded a child with hot water for wetting her pants don't deserve to live. The child was burned so bad she needs skin grafts.
Not all life is worth protecting. These people deserve hard time in the general population of some prison where there are plenty of lifers with nothing to lose.
 
Henrin said:
Do we not have a right to end our own life? I would say yes we do, but apparently you disagree.



That has nothing to do with our talk we are having.
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I hope I have the right when my time comes. But it won't be done with a gun, too messy. Stage 5 Parkinson's isn't my idea of living.
 
madman said:
I tell ya, all of these nut jobs are coming out of the woodwork.
His parents should do some time for this if the gun was found to come from the home.

Ohh, and this doesnt surprise me coming from "UTAH".
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tessaesque said:
I don't think he's a "nut job". I think he's an 11-year old child who is very scared.

A sixth-grade Utah boy was in police custody late Monday after bringing a handgun to school, reportedly so that he could defend himself in the event of an attack, Granite School District officials said.

"He has alluded in his defense that he brought it as a way to defend himself and his friends if there was a Connecticut-style incident at the school," district spokesman Ben Horsley said.
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Another reason to not take this OP seriously.
 
SMTA said:
Chart means nothing with no numeric information at all.
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Homicide does not necessarily mean gun shot. There are lots of ways to kill someone. Frying pan for instance.
 
Henrin said:
Do we not have a right to end our own life? I would say yes we do, but apparently you disagree.



That has nothing to do with our talk we are having.
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Do you think a sane person would end his own life?
I just want every gun purchaser to sign a paper saying that he knows that owning a gun increases your chance of death or injury as well as those of your loved ones.
At least they won't be cluless idiots like that Newton mother and they have been properly warned. Ignorance of this has alot to do with the proliferation that we are now paying the price for.
 
UtahBill said:
this is assuming that all life is precious..... the people who made today's paper in Phoenix for killing a child
that was in their daycare don't deserve to live. The other couple that scalded a child with hot water for wetting her pants don't deserve to live. The child was burned so bad she needs skin grafts.
Not all life is worth protecting. These people deserve hard time in the general population of some prison where there are plenty of lifers with nothing to lose.
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What does that have to do with disturbed young kids who have the impulse to shoot themselves? 75% of child/young adult suicides are committed with the parents guns.
 
UtahBill said:
I hope I have the right when my time comes. But it won't be done with a gun, too messy. Stage 5 Parkinson's isn't my idea of living.
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That is called euthanasia not suicide and I agree that that should be legal.
But when a child kills himself on impulse with the parents gun I think the parents should be charged with premeditated homicide.
 
iguanaman said:
Do you think a sane person would end his own life?
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Yes and sane people do choose to end their lives. Considering we're the only state that allows physician assissted suicide, the folks in other states who are facing harrowing ends of life, some might just choose to go that way.

Personally, in that situation, I choose drugs.
 
iguanaman said:
What does that have to do with disturbed young kids who have the impulse to shoot themselves? 75% of child/young adult suicides are committed with the parents guns.
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I'd like to see the source of that stat, doesn't jibe with what I've seen. I'd think wrist cutting and drugs are more prevelent for teen suicides. Girls in particular tend to avoid messing up the face.
 
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