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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A young child cannot be trusted to use a loaded gun unsupervised by an adult. If you think they can? God bless ya'.
    That's painting with a ridiculously broad brush there, Maggie.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A young child cannot be trusted to use a loaded gun unsupervised by an adult. If you think they can? God bless ya'.
    Granted, as a general rule that is true, but its not true for all children. While its not advisable to make a policy change due to the fact that some children are able to handle a gun safely, its also not true to say all children can not.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Kudos to his mom and pop for bringing up a smart kid. Kid is worthy of an applause or imitation
    no, it was really dumb/ignorant on his and his parents part. And you want an applause him now for having a record. I thought conservatives where all about law.
    Perhaps its just the laws that they agree with

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    There is a huge gulf between can and should. Heck, my uncle was providing the family with food, by himself, with a 22 rifle when he was that age. He certainly was on his own while doing it, and he knew exactly what he was doing. BUT, that's not how kids grow up now, they don't have the same training, the same socialization.

    Having armed 11 year olds at school is a recipe for heart-wrenching disaster. Rare individuals may do just fine with it, but for most, the lack of training and judgement will eventually show.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    I've posted enough that I'll assume you are aware that a) I don't own a gun because I don't trust me b) I have a non-lethal weapon in multiple locations around my house c) I'm not "anti-gun.

    That being reiterated, I want to ask what purpose guns have if you have to keep them locked up? Surely, in the middle of a home invasion, you're not going to run to the gun safe, enter 27 left 24 right 14 left flip the handle, open remove from rack, aim and fire. You're going to want the gun(s) highly accessible, loaded and ready to go. But once you arrange that, any body else can easily take them. A thief, a visitor, your grandkid Charlie etc.

    So, how do you handle this? Inquiring minds etc.......

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I've posted enough that I'll assume you are aware that a) I don't own a gun because I don't trust me b) I have a non-lethal weapon in multiple locations around my house c) I'm not "anti-gun.

    That being reiterated, I want to ask what purpose guns have if you have to keep them locked up? Surely, in the middle of a home invasion, you're not going to run to the gun safe, enter 27 left 24 right 14 left flip the handle, open remove from rack, aim and fire. You're going to want the gun(s) highly accessible, loaded and ready to go. But once you arrange that, any body else can easily take them. A thief, a visitor, your grandkid Charlie etc.

    So, how do you handle this? Inquiring minds etc.......
    Technology has stepped in on this one with biometric keys (thumbprint typically). Takes about the same time as it does to open a drawer next to the bed.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You said at his age he is capable of doing such a task. Not that he might be, or that he has the potential to be, but that he is capable. The clear implication is that you were stating a generality. If that's not what you meant, that's fine.
    In post after post I made it clear I was not talking about all children his age. I also made it clear I was talking about possible capabilities of that age group.
    Last edited by Henrin; 12-18-12 at 05:47 PM.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    So, now my question becomes "how many here use biometric controls as your main form of gun security?"


    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Technology has stepped in on this one with biometric keys (thumbprint typically). Takes about the same time as it does to open a drawer next to the bed.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I tell ya, all of these nut jobs are coming out of the woodwork.
    His parents should do some time for this if the gun was found to come from the home.

    Ohh, and this doesnt surprise me coming from "UTAH".


    Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school | The Salt Lake Tribune


    A sixth-grade Utah boy was in police custody late Monday after bringing a handgun to school, reportedly so that he could defend himself in the event of an attack, Granite School District officials said.
    "He has alluded in his defense that he brought it as a way to defend himself and his friends if there was a Connecticut-style incident at the school," district spokesman Ben Horsley said.
    11-12 year old boy knows that he cannot take a weapon to school
    only exception is if he arrived on a short bus
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    An 11-year-old's brain is 10-11 years from being fully cooked. Many scientists believe that critical decision-making skills aren't fully developed until age 25. An 11-year-old is still looking for monsters under his bed, for God's sake.

    Really? What the ****'s the matter with people??
    They cannot accept anything that challenges their "belief system" no matter how practical logical or reasonable. If what the boy said was accurate where do you think he got that from and why did he think he had the right or responsiblity to do what it is reported that he did?

    As you said his brain is still developing and will not reach its full growth until about age 18. Children mimic the attitudes and opinions of their parents. They want to be like them and so adopt these things which the parents are most passionate about. His future personality is being developed by his surrounding and those people in them.

    IS this the way we want children to think or believe?
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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