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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Nobody is arguing for that.
    You're arguing that 11 year olds are capable of defending themselves and others with deadly force. I'm pointing out that while that's true in narrow contexts, occassionally, it's a far cry from common, and if taken to its logical conclusion, leads to absurd and patently dangerous results.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't need your advice. And there's nothing in this thread that is going to solve any problem. Please keep your posts to the thread topic and stop making this about me and my supposed illogical emotional reactions.
    Somebody's got to call out irrationality when it happens. Irrational, poorly thought through, emotional reactions led to irrational, poorly thought through, emotional ACTIONS. It is perfectly on topic to say that your interpretation of somebody's topic-related post is off base. It is also on topic to say your posts REGARDING THE TOPIC are off base.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You're arguing that 11 year olds are capable of defending themselves and others with deadly force. I'm pointing out that while that's true in narrow contexts, occassionally, it's a far cry from common, and if taken to its logical conclusion, leads to absurd and patently dangerous results.
    I'm arguing that it is idiotic to say "An 11 year old is incapable of defending themselves and others". That's a generalized statement based on ignorance and fails to account for the fact that children 11 and younger HAVE done EXACTLY that. I never said, "All 11 year olds can defend themselves and others".
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Somebody's got to call out irrationality when it happens. Irrational, poorly thought through, emotional reactions led to irrational, poorly thought through, emotional ACTIONS. It is perfectly on topic to say that your interpretation of somebody's topic-related post is off base. It is also on topic to say your posts REGARDING THE TOPIC are off base.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I tell ya, all of these nut jobs are coming out of the woodwork.
    His parents should do some time for this if the gun was found to come from the home.

    Ohh, and this doesnt surprise me coming from "UTAH".


    Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school | The Salt Lake Tribune


    A sixth-grade Utah boy was in police custody late Monday after bringing a handgun to school, reportedly so that he could defend himself in the event of an attack, Granite School District officials said.
    "He has alluded in his defense that he brought it as a way to defend himself and his friends if there was a Connecticut-style incident at the school," district spokesman Ben Horsley said.
    Kudos to his mom and pop for bringing up a smart kid. Kid is worthy of an applause or imitation

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I'm arguing that it is idiotic to say "An 11 year old is incapable of defending themselves and others". That's a generalized statement based on ignorance and fails to account for the fact that children 11 and younger HAVE done EXACTLY that. I never said, "All 11 year olds can defend themselves and others".
    The statement that started this sub-topic was " ...at his age he is capable of doing such a task," that task being defending himself. That is also a blanket statement, and it is also stupid.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Since he brought it unloaded, I think your point is moot. You may be able to find an anomaly about a young child successfully defending his home with a gun, but to think this is anywhere near normal is just silly.
    My post is about children his age and their capabilities, not this given situation and if the gun in question was loaded or not. Its been shown many times over that children can handle similar situations and its been shown children his age can be trained to understand how to use a gun safely.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    The statement that started this sub-topic was " ...at his age he is capable of doing such a task," that task being defending himself. That is also a blanket statement, and it is also stupid.
    Well I never said all kids his age can or for that matter all people can. I simply said children his age are capable of doing it. That is a fact.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    My post is about children his age and their capabilities, not this given situation and if the gun in question was loaded or not. Its been shown many times over that children can handle similar situations and its been shown children his age can be trained to understand how to use a gun safely.
    A young child cannot be trusted to use a loaded gun unsupervised by an adult. If you think they can? God bless ya'.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well I never said all students can or will either or for that matter all people can.
    You said at his age he is capable of doing such a task. Not that he might be, or that he has the potential to be, but that he is capable. The clear implication is that you were stating a generality. If that's not what you meant, that's fine.

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