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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    the gun belonged to his parents.
    I'm not seeing where that's reported. In ONE article alone thus far I saw this:

    The boy told his friends that his parents urged him to bring the unloaded .22 caliber pistol to school for protection following the Sandy Hook school massacre in Newtown, Conn., on Friday, the station reported.

    Read more: Utah 6th grader brings gun to school 'for protection' in Sandy Hook aftermath, points it at classmate's head during recess: report - NY Daily News
    If true, the parents should be held accountable. But as it is, sounds like an 11 year old spinning tales.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And yet we've seen several news stories in the last few months about children very close to 11 protecting themselves and their families from harm by using guns. So obviously it's ridiculous to make blanket statements about the ability of an 11 year old child.
    Really. We're going to have a discussion about my post??

    If you think an 11-year-old who brings a gun to school is right, that's on you. I think it's wrong. If you think parents are right to have guns readily accessible to their 11-year-olds so they can take them to school, that's on you too. If you think an 11-year-old is mature enough to be some kind of a guardian to his fellow students by using his gun? Well, post that up and that'll be the second dumbest post I've read on DP.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I call 'em like I see 'em. To say that an 11-year-old is capable of defending himself or his classmates by bringing a gun to school is ridiculous.
    Why not? Children his age have defended their parents in home burglaries by shooting the burglar, so why not protect a classroom of students? Why is the one possible, but not the other? It would seem to me that if the child his age can understand a threat and protect himself and his family in the home that the child could do so in a school. Look, I didn't say it should be banked on, but its completely realistic as there is mountains of evidence to suggest such a thing.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I call 'em like I see 'em. To say that an 11-year-old is capable of defending himself or his classmates by bringing a gun to school is ridiculous.
    No, it's not.

    Kendra St. Clair: Oklahoma Girl, 12, Shoots Intruder During Home Burglary - ABC News
    That happened just in October and it's far from the only case of a kid, many younger than 11, acting rationally and appropriately in the face of danger.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    And yet we've seen several news stories in the last few months about children very close to 11 protecting themselves and their families from harm by using guns. So obviously it's ridiculous to make blanket statements about the ability of an 11 year old child.
    There are also hundreds of accidental deaths per year due to children playing with guns; and not just toddlers, sometimes kids in the age rage at issue here. WHile some individual children have managed to successfully defend themselves in emergency situations, that's a far cry from allowing an 11 year old to routinely carry a loaded weapon while at school and around quite a lot of other eleven year olds (also older and younger children), some of whom will probably want to bring their own guns to school. That is a recipe for disaster.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why not? Children his age have defended their parents in home burglaries by shooting the burglar, so why not a classroom of students? Why is the one possible, but not the other? It would seem to me that if the child his age can understand a threat and protect his himself and his family in the home that the child could do so in a school. Look, I didn't say it should be banked on, but its completely realistic as there is mountains of evidence to suggest such a thing.
    Since he brought it unloaded, I think your point is moot. You may be able to find an anomaly about a young child successfully defending his home with a gun, but to think this is anywhere near normal is just silly.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Really. We're going to have a discussion about my post??

    If you think an 11-year-old who brings a gun to school is right, that's on you. I think it's wrong. If you think parents are right to have guns readily accessible to their 11-year-olds so they can take them to school, that's on you too. If you think an 11-year-old is mature enough to be some kind of a guardian to his fellow students by using his gun? Well, post that up and that'll be the second dumbest post I've read on DP.
    I didn't make any of those arguments.

    You said 11 year olds are not capable of defending themselves and others. That is a ridiculous statement to make. Calling it a ridiculous statement does not mean I endorse what this child did. I've said the exact opposite in this thread, in fact.

    That said, my advise: If your posts will be nothing but emotional-driven hyperbole without a lick of reflection or calm analysis you're going to have a hard time in this thread. Illogical emotional reactions don't solve problems. They create broad, baseless, ignorant generalizations, and the defense of those generalizations will lead you to posting strawman arguments and accusations that make even less sense.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    There are also hundreds of accidental deaths per year due to children playing with guns; and not just toddlers, sometimes kids in the age rage at issue here. WHile some individual children have managed to successfully defend themselves in emergency situations, that's a far cry from allowing an 11 year old to routinely carry a loaded weapon while at school and around quite a lot of other eleven year olds (also older and younger children), some of whom will probably want to bring their own guns to school. That is a recipe for disaster.
    Nobody is arguing for that.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I didn't make any of those arguments.

    You said 11 year olds are not capable of defending themselves and others. That is a ridiculous statement to make. Calling it a ridiculous statement does not mean I endorse what this child did. I've said the exact opposite in this thread, in fact.

    That said, my advise: If your posts will be nothing but emotional-driven hyperbole without a lick of reflection or calm analysis you're going to have a hard time in this thread. Illogical emotional reactions don't solve problems. They create broad, baseless, ignorant generalizations, and the defense of those generalizations will lead you to posting strawman arguments and accusations that make even less sense.
    I don't need your advice. And there's nothing in this thread that is going to solve any problem. Please keep your posts to the thread topic and stop making this about me and my supposed illogical emotional reactions.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    I tell ya, all of these nut jobs are coming out of the woodwork.
    His parents should do some time for this if the gun was found to come from the home.

    Ohh, and this doesnt surprise me coming from "UTAH".


    Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school | The Salt Lake Tribune


    A sixth-grade Utah boy was in police custody late Monday after bringing a handgun to school, reportedly so that he could defend himself in the event of an attack, Granite School District officials said.
    "He has alluded in his defense that he brought it as a way to defend himself and his friends if there was a Connecticut-style incident at the school," district spokesman Ben Horsley said.
    What will happen to that boys parents? Will they be jailed for allowing access to a gun by a minor? Will their children be taken away? This is yet another of the problems we have with guns. We leave them around for anyone to pick up and there are no consequences unless the person is a mass murderer. Like that boy in Newtown. It is unacceptable. And the more guns we sell the worse this gets.

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