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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Speculation, but let's go with the kid's explanation. He brought the gun to school to keep his classmates safe.

    Plausible train of thought:
    "26 people died because a gun man shot them at school" >>> why didn't anybody stop him? >>> "He had guns. All they could do was hide as quickly as possible" >>> so if somebody else had a gun, they could have stopped him from killing all those kids? >>> "I suppose that's possible." >>> *I don't want people at school to die, so I'm going to take protection*

    The kid is 11. Even if he's been given proper training and knows how to handle a gun safely, he's still just 11. There's still a level of irrationality involved there that lends to making bad choices. That's why we don't let 11 year olds drink, drive, vote, operate heavy machinery, or live independently of their parents.

    The kid screwed up. The parents probably screwed up to. But I don't think he was dumb, and I don't think we can conclude that the parents did NOTHING to educate the kid on gun safety. I think there's strong evidence to say they didn't do enough, particularly if the claim from the other student proves true.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's probably the most ridiculous post I've ever read on Debate Politics.
    Why though? At his age he is a capable of it, is he not? I didn't say we should expect it or that we should allow it, but all the same, kids his age can do exactly that and have done similar type things in the past.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's probably the most ridiculous post I've ever read on Debate Politics.
    You haven't been reading very many posts, then.

    I get this is a touchy issue....but the emotional, knee-jerk, hyperbolic reactions aren't really helping anything.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's his purported excuse for bringing the gun to school and mugging around with it. We don't know how sincere or true the excuse is. We don't know who the gun belongs to or how the kid got his hands on it. Making suppositions without actual data.
    the gun belonged to his parents.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why though?
    An 11-year-old's brain is 10-11 years from being fully cooked. Many scientists believe that critical decision-making skills aren't fully developed until age 25. An 11-year-old is still looking for monsters under his bed, for God's sake.

    Really? What the ****'s the matter with people??
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't see how that makes sense. It wouldn't make a difference where the child is if he is able to handle the gun safely. Why do you think rules that are outside of gun safety have anything to do with it?
    Gun safety should include WHERE NOT TO take your gun. Court house, Airport, police station, and in this case, a school.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You haven't been reading very many posts, then.

    I get this is a touchy issue....but the emotional, knee-jerk, hyperbolic reactions aren't really helping anything.
    I call 'em like I see 'em. To say that an 11-year-old is capable of defending himself or his classmates by bringing a gun to school is ridiculous.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    An 11-year-old's brain is 10-11 years from being fully cooked. Many scientists believe that critical decision-making skills aren't fully developed until age 25. An 11-year-old is still looking for monsters under his bed, for God's sake.

    Really? What the ****'s the matter with people??
    Ah.. Sixth graders still look for monsters under their beds? Anyway, wouldn't you point basically include anyone under twenty-five?

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    After perusing this thread, I have come to the following conclusion - A few people really believe that guns and bullets are thinking beings, and it's their fault. Sheesh!!
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I call 'em like I see 'em. To say that an 11-year-old is capable of defending himself or his classmates by bringing a gun to school is ridiculous.
    And yet we've seen several news stories in the last few months about children very close to 11 protecting themselves and their families from harm by using guns. So obviously it's ridiculous to make blanket statements about the ability of an 11 year old child.
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