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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    What's needed is more education on gun safety and less time spent in front of the tv playing video games.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No Maggie.
    "What the **** is wrong with people??"
    Is exactly what I am thinking reading your reply.
    It makes no sense what-so-ever, and is just emotive codswallop.

    It isn't a criminal offense. Nor should it ever be.

    Secondly you seem to be jumping to conclusions.

    How did he get it?
    Do you know if it was locked away and he had to break-in to get it or not?
    Why do you ask how he got it? If it isn't wrong, what difference does it make?

    When I made my initial reply, I didn't know that the gun wasn't loaded. (And now I see that, although the gun wasn't loaded, he had ammunition in his backpack.) In my opinion, anyone who thinks it's just fine for parents to leave loaded guns or unloaded ones with ammunition accessible to young children is guilty of child endangerment. If not to their own child? Then to playmates.

    I think it is so disingenuous for gun rights supporters to argue this point. Eleven-year-olds cannot be trusted to have access to loaded guns without adult supervision. Yes, "some" may be perfectly trustworthy. Their friends? Their even younger siblings? No, never.

    In my opinion, a responsible gun owner would never leave a potentially loaded weapon where a child could lay hands on it. This particular boy? He is proof-of-the-pudding. Not only was he wrong-headed to think he could actually protect anyone with the gun, he threatened his classmates with it.

    Had he loaded the gun? Had he killed a little kid? That dead kid's parents would own his parents' home, cars, money and anything else of value they had as "payment" for their dead kid and their failure to secure their weapons from a child.

    I fail to see how anyone of sound mind can argue this point.

    Are there 11-year-olds who can be trusted with loaded firearms all by themselves? Possibly. I cannot, however, imagine why on earth a responsible parent would ever take that chance. In this particular case? A child who takes a gun to school and points it, even in jest, at his classmates? Is NOT responsible.

    Truly, this wrong-headed thinking is why people think bad thoughts about people who own guns. So, gun owners who think this way. Leave your guns and ammunition accessible to your 11-year-old. And then bury your son when he shows the gun to one of his friends, and his friend shoots him. Unconscionable.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    What's needed is more education on gun safety and less time spent in front of the tv playing video games.
    I agree. We need to get out the TRUTH that guns don't make you safer they acutually increase you chance of being shot or committing suicide. And that leaving a gun out for anyone to take is a crime punished with stiff penalties and a permanent ban from ever owning a gun again. That is the education that is needed.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    What's needed is more education on gun safety and less time spent in front of the tv playing video games.
    Gun safety training done with a video game?..
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Had a neighbor once who kept his guns locked up, but not the bullets. Twice we found one of his boys with a box of rifle bullets, a pair of vice grips, and a hammer, trying to set them off. So dad locks up the bullets.....then the same boy got the compound bow out of the closet, and arrows, with broad-heads, aka razors at the end of the shaft, and he was shooting them over his house from the front yard, with other kids playing in the back yard. Not long after that, the kid was in a field behind his house doing something with another kid that looked suspicious. I went over to see what was up. He had poured gasoline from a milk jug onto a pile of grass, sticks, cardboard, etc. and was trying to make a spark with a fire starter kit to light it up. If he had succeeded, the vapors would have set both kids on fire. His mom was in full view of what he was doing, and ignoring him. He did succeed in starting a neighbors garage on fire at another time.
    Kids like that require constant supervision, and he wasn't getting it from his parents. So the neighbors stepped up and we all watched him.
    He survived to adulthood, and didn't end up in prison, or hospital, or hurt anyone. But the parents can't take much credit for that.....
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I agree. We need to get out the TRUTH that guns don't make you safer they acutually increase you chance of being shot or committing suicide. And that leaving a gun out for anyone to take is a crime punished with stiff penalties and a permanent ban from ever owning a gun again. That is the education that is needed.
    I suppose then that you prefer letting the government protect you.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    I suppose then that you prefer letting the government protect you.
    I prefer not to increase my chances of me or my family being shot like owning a gun does. I don't keep any live grenades around either.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I prefer not to increase my chances of me or my family being shot like owning a gun does. I don't keep any live grenades around either.
    Prove that the right to own guns is directly linked to higher crime and suicide rates. So by this logic, if guns were made illegal, crime and suicide rates would plummet.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    What's needed is more education on gun safety and less time spent in front of the tv playing video games.
    Our children were deprived....when video games came out, I would not let them in our house. We had our kids involved in activities like baseball and softball, dance, scouts, camping and fishing with family, helping grandma and grandpa around their house, likewise with other elderly neighbors, etc.
    They turned out to be college educated taxpayers.
    Good thing the ACLU never found out....
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    I suppose then that you prefer letting the government protect you.
    When seconds count, the cops are minutes away.....
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