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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Another uninformed post. SHort bus? Really. ......................
    appears you choose to ignore reality
    and that is your option to exercise

    however, not for me
    any 11/12 year old boy absolutely knows that weapons are something that cannot be taken to school
    the only exception would be those who are of that pre-teen chronological age but with an intellect which does not match their years
    so, if the kid arrived at school on a short bus, he gets a free pass
    if not, book him dano
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Apparently my question is misunderstood. I don't have, don't need, don't want a gun. I'm extremely well defended and have iron bars, gates and a mish-mash of weapons that aren't guns. I'm over-protected.

    My question was addressed to gun owners. After all the defense of guns, all the criticism of the terrible events etc. I want to know if guns are locked away (useless for defense) or readily available (subject to theft or misuse). The suggestion was made of biometric safety locks so I asked if anybody actually used these (seems like the only safe approach to have a gun handy).

    I expected multiple replies but all I got so far is your telling me how to handle MY security. That's not the subject.

    My question to all gun owners still stands.
    I'm one of those gun nuts with several weapons in the house and I have two small children. I keep the guns and ammo separate. I keep the shotgun on a rack in my walk in closet, and the .45 on top of my book shelf which is well over 7 feet tall. The ammo is in a hidden location even harder to get to than the guns. In the event that we needed the guns for protection, with adrenaline's help, I'm estimating that we could grab the guns and have them locked and loaded in less than a couple of minutes.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Isn't a couple of minutes a long, long time? In event of civil unrest, sure, you're in better shape than gunless folks like me but if your front door bursts open, well, that's apparently not what you're planning for. IMHO, you're protecting your family better by making the guns inaccessible to your offspring than you would be if you were prepared for an instant crisis.

    I've even thought about buying a gun but leaving it with a trusted neighbor. Thats what I do with my pain pill collection. I don't want to make a decision and not have somebody question my decision. I find it easier to trust others than to trust myself....


    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar View Post
    I'm one of those gun nuts with several weapons in the house and I have two small children. I keep the guns and ammo separate. I keep the shotgun on a rack in my walk in closet, and the .45 on top of my book shelf which is well over 7 feet tall. The ammo is in a hidden location even harder to get to than the guns. In the event that we needed the guns for protection, with adrenaline's help, I'm estimating that we could grab the guns and have them locked and loaded in less than a couple of minutes.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    While an 11 year old MAY be able to use and keep a gun safely we still dont want them bringing them to school. A bully could steal it etc, etc. It sets a precedence that not all kids may be able to follow. So much that could go wrong. Im am fine and dandy with teachers bringing guns to school though. They are their guardian after all during school hours.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I've posted enough that I'll assume you are aware that a) I don't own a gun because I don't trust me b) I have a non-lethal weapon in multiple locations around my house c) I'm not "anti-gun.

    That being reiterated, I want to ask what purpose guns have if you have to keep them locked up? Surely, in the middle of a home invasion, you're not going to run to the gun safe, enter 27 left 24 right 14 left flip the handle, open remove from rack, aim and fire. You're going to want the gun(s) highly accessible, loaded and ready to go. But once you arrange that, any body else can easily take them. A thief, a visitor, your grandkid Charlie etc.

    So, how do you handle this? Inquiring minds etc.......
    They are either locked or on my hip. My heavy artillery is locked up seprate from power supplies that take some time to install. Anything I have to deal with that requires their use I will know about with advanced warning, and any idiot wont be able to assemble it and use it. My rifles and personal arms are locked in a gun safes with the munitions stored in a blast rated safes. My pistols are with me or near me with rare exception and there is a safe for them on the rare occasion I am without them.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You're arguing that 11 year olds are capable of defending themselves and others with deadly force. I'm pointing out that while that's true in narrow contexts, occassionally, it's a far cry from common, and if taken to its logical conclusion, leads to absurd and patently dangerous results.
    They used to routinely do just that, in a not too distant past. 13 was at one time considerd adulthood. I aint saying its a good thing just pointing out while it may be somewhat narrow now, it was not always the case.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    So, now my question becomes "how many here use biometric controls as your main form of gun security?"
    Biometric controls especially if the intruder is familier with the system used can be bipassed fairly easy. I dont use them because of that. I use electronic security in combination with mechanical security.
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Isn't a couple of minutes a long, long time? In event of civil unrest, sure, you're in better shape than gunless folks like me but if your front door bursts open, well, that's apparently not what you're planning for. IMHO, you're protecting your family better by making the guns inaccessible to your offspring than you would be if you were prepared for an instant crisis.

    I've even thought about buying a gun but leaving it with a trusted neighbor. Thats what I do with my pain pill collection. I don't want to make a decision and not have somebody question my decision. I find it easier to trust others than to trust myself....
    Not really. If someone kicks the door down, at least we'll have a fighting chance. I'm not interested in delegating my family's safety to others. That is my job.

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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    There are also hundreds of accidental deaths per year due to children playing with guns; and not just toddlers, sometimes kids in the age rage at issue here. WHile some individual children have managed to successfully defend themselves in emergency situations, that's a far cry from allowing an 11 year old to routinely carry a loaded weapon while at school and around quite a lot of other eleven year olds (also older and younger children), some of whom will probably want to bring their own guns to school. That is a recipe for disaster.
    no, not hundreds......unless you have a link...
    I just took the CWP class, and the instructor used FBI statistics to show that this issue is overblown by the media....
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    Re: Utah 6th-grader in custody after bringing gun to school

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm making the assumption he got this gun from home. If a gun is available to a sixth-grader, the gun owner ought to be in jail. What the **** is wrong with people??

    His logic stunk.
    No Maggie.
    "What the **** is wrong with people??"
    Is exactly what I am thinking reading your reply.
    It makes no sense what-so-ever, and is just emotive codswallop.

    It isn't a criminal offense. Nor should it ever be.

    Secondly you seem to be jumping to conclusions.

    How did he get it?
    Do you know if it was locked away and he had to break-in to get it or not?


    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Somebody's got to call out irrationality when it happens. Irrational, poorly thought through, emotional reactions led to irrational, poorly thought through, emotional ACTIONS. It is perfectly on topic to say that your interpretation of somebody's topic-related post is off base. It is also on topic to say your posts REGARDING THE TOPIC are off base.
    Exactly!


    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A young child cannot be trusted to use a loaded gun unsupervised by an adult. If you think they can? God bless ya'.
    Children that young were hunting unsupervised long before you were born.

    It may have been a different day and age, but it should serve to show you that they are more than capable.

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