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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    yes, and they have to PAY for it too!
    You cant charge people to vote.

    It's a bit dated (2008) but it shows that you have to pay for state IDs: What Does A State ID Cost? » Pirate's Cove

    and voter fraud is few and far between. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/wa...anted=all&_r=0
    In 2012 only 4 states required a photo ID for voting. Those states were Georgia, Indiana, Tennessee and Kansas. All 4 of those states will provide a free voter ID for anyone who doesn't already have ID which meets state criteria. Other states which are enacting voter ID laws also have similar programs available for those who don't have any other form of ID.

    The list you presented is pure propaganda. It does list the cost for certain state ID's but conveniently ignores the rest of the facts.

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In 2012 only 4 states required a photo ID for voting. Those states were Georgia, Indiana, Tennessee and Kansas. All 4 of those states will provide a free voter ID for anyone who doesn't already have ID which meets state criteria. Other states which are enacting voter ID laws also have similar programs available for those who don't have any other form of ID.

    The list you presented is pure propaganda. It does list the cost for certain state ID's but conveniently ignores the rest of the facts.

    If those states are truly providing free ID's then i dont see a problem.

    and "pure propaganda", that's in YOUR eyes. Generally, you cant get free ID cards unless to meet a certain age reqirement.

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    If those states are truly providing free ID's then i dont see a problem.

    and "pure propaganda", that's in YOUR eyes. Generally, you cant get free ID cards unless to meet a certain age reqirement.
    When there is a state requirement to have ID for exercising a right then it is the obligation of the state to provide that ID. It's just plain old common sense.

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I see the Fox News, NRA and GOP spin/lie machine is hard at work.

    For the record... there should not be mass shootings at all.
    There shouldn't be, but there always will. Or bombings, or stabbings, or some other kind of random senseless violence. You'll never get rid of all of it.
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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Im more interested in why BECK didnt link to the article. Isnt this supposed to be standard practice?

    thanks for the link
    The article wasn't linked because it was copied in its entirety on the page. Just as every other internet news sites do when they use an AP article.

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I see the Fox News, NRA and GOP spin/lie machine is hard at work.

    For the record... there should not be mass shootings at all.
    Seriously!! Excellent point.

    I don't know why anyone would post this thread.

    It's like saying the lake water we can't drink or fish in is actually cleaner than it was 10 years ago. Yippee!!

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I see the Fox News, NRA and GOP spin/lie machine is hard at work.

    For the record... there should not be mass shootings at all.
    ?



    There should not be anything that is considered "bad" at all... but unfortunately there are crazy people out there and as populations increase there will even be more of them out there...

    scary thing is... we are all capable of doing anything that is possible good or bad.
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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    There shouldn't be, but there always will. Or bombings, or stabbings, or some other kind of random senseless violence. You'll never get rid of all of it.
    No of course not, but there is far far more of that stuff in the US than any where else in the industrialised world... only countries on planet that can be comparable are war torn countries or areas run by drug lords.
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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Seriously!! Excellent point.

    I don't know why anyone would post this thread.

    It's like saying the lake water we can't drink or fish in is actually cleaner than it was 10 years ago. Yippee!!
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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by hfd View Post
    Associated Press Story: Believe It or Not Mass Killings Are Not on the Rise, They Are on the Decline | TheBlaze.com

    While the perception in the wake of this year’s mass shootings has been that such acts are on the rise, the Associated Press found that it’s actually the exact opposite when you look at the data on a macro level.
    “There is no pattern, there is no increase,” says criminologist James Allen Fox of Boston’s Northeastern University.
    He adds that the random mass shootings that get the most media attention are the rarest.
    While mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, says.
    Chances of being killed in a mass shooting, he says, are probably no greater than being struck by lightning.
    I have a couple questions about this: what are the numbers? I can't find statistics on the amount of mass murders per year, and in the article you linked to, it doesn't say. It has one person's "estimation" and this person doesn't seem to have any authority on the subject. He did, apparently, write a book about mass murders, but i looked it up and it appears as if nobody has read it. But if he is an expert after all, how many people had to be killed for it to be counted as a mass murder? The article doesn't say what they're talking about.

    And then, is there some mention of how many people are injured or killed from these events (by year or otherwise)?

    If there were more killing sprees in the 20s and 30s that ended in multiple lives being lost, I'd think an injured person can be saved by modern medicine these days in many cases where that same person with that same injury would have died in 1927. That may have some impact on the numbers, but we'd have to see the numbers to determine that. And I can't find those numbers. But they'd be very helpful for the sake of argument.
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