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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Go back and read my post. I said no one is taking away gun rights.
    You were the one that brought voter ID into the topic. That there **IS** off topic.

    edit: here, i'll make it easy for you:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061260319
    Right. And nobody is taking away voting right either so, one more time, do you want regulation applied evenly or not?

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    So he got his facts wrong? Can you elaborate...



    And Bush did what differently? (repeal Clinton's semi-automatic ban?)

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    Bush didn't do anything differently.

    I just find it strangely, even conspiracy theory-ish that the gun control party gains power in 2006 (legislature) and an increase in mass shootings starts then. Most of the mass shootings under Bush happened after 2006.

    He didn't do anything differently that I am aware of, its just a weird coincidence.
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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Bush didn't do anything differently.

    I just find it strangely, even conspiracy theory-ish that the gun control party gains power in 2006 (legislature) and an increase in mass shootings starts then. Most of the mass shootings under Bush happened after 2006.

    He didn't do anything differently that I am aware of, its just a weird coincidence.
    I don't think 'coincidence' constitutes as a form of evidence. Can you not elaborate on the figures you gave in your earlier post?

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Right. And nobody is taking away voting right either so, one more time, do you want regulation applied evenly or not?
    Somethings need regulation and somethings do not. Guns do, voting, does not.
    You can not make us citizens pay to vote. That is essentially what you are doing.

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I don't think 'coincidence' constitutes as a form of evidence. Can you not elaborate on the figures you gave in your earlier post?

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    Oh... silly me... I get it... you doubt my numbers...

    A Timeline Of Mass Shootings In The US Since Columbine | ThinkProgress
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Oh... silly me... I get it... you doubt my numbers...

    A Timeline Of Mass Shootings In The US Since Columbine | ThinkProgress
    I wasn't doubting anything until I viewed what you felt constituents 'Mass killings'. And for me, however shocking : "On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown. " This does not constitute 'Mass killings'. That said, I'm not sure what position you wish to advance with this evidence?

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Somethings need regulation and somethings do not. Guns do, voting, does not.
    You can not make us citizens pay to vote. That is essentially what you are doing.
    In both PA and FL this past year there were stories of tens of thousands of voters on rolls in those states that didn't belong on those rolls. There were probably more states with the same problem but those two are the ones that stick in my memory. That's a huge problem in that it could (and perhaps does) have a significant impact on the outcome of elections for all levels of government. More than that the federal government took action to prohibit ordinary and necessary due diligence in the voting process. Meanwhile they are gearing up to slam home additional restrictions on lawfully owned and obtained weapons even though there is no evidence that doing so will have any benefit to the public.

    Just like you guys try to break up the nation along ethnic and economic lines you are now trying to divide us along the lines of those who support liberty and those who support stateism.

    By the way, every single state out there that provides a state level ID for a required purpose (such as voting) does so at no charge to the individual.

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    I wasn't doubting anything until I viewed what you felt constituents 'Mass killings'. And for me, however shocking : "On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown. " This does not constitute 'Mass killings'. That said, I'm not sure what position you wish to advance with this evidence?

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    Im advancing NO position. As I stated wayyyy back when at the time when I originally posted it...

    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Mother Jones tracked 62 instances of mass killings from 1982 to 2012 (current). That averages out to approx 2 per year. yes...there has been a healthy increase this last year but on average, the incidents have managed to stay pretty consistent.

    A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones

    I wonder if this all really shocks anyone. I know there are no direct causative links to media and violence but really...video games depict airport shootings, mall shootings, random acts of violence for no good reason, we see it in movies, and TV shows and on the news. Can anyone REALLY be shocked when people are constantly exposed to violence as an option? Im not even suggesting things should be censored...just wondering if anyone is really surprised.

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    Re: Mass Killings on the decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post

    By the way, every single state out there that provides a state level ID for a required purpose (such as voting) does so at no charge to the individual.
    yes, and they have to PAY for it too!
    You cant charge people to vote.

    It's a bit dated (2008) but it shows that you have to pay for state IDs: http://www.thepiratescove.us/2008/04...state-id-cost/

    and voter fraud is few and far between. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/wa...anted=all&_r=0
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