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Mass Killings on the decline?

But if even one of these horrors can be prevented by education and regulation then it will be worth the effort. Don't you agree?

If the regulation involves curtailing the rights of the people to keep and bear arms... then no.

Educate all you wish.
 
You're not losing your silly gun rights. No one is taking them away from you. You can relax. There's needs to be more regulation, but that does not mean your rights are being trampled on.
christ! the paranoia of some people.

Do you support voter ID laws? I mean, the right to vote isn't being infringed in those cases, it's only being appropriately regulated.
 
Do you support voter ID laws? I mean, the right to vote isn't being infringed in those cases, it's only being appropriately regulated.

voter id is not necessary. Tell me, why do you think it is?
 
Do you support voter ID laws? I mean, the right to vote isn't being infringed in those cases, it's only being appropriately regulated.

Do you support 6 hour waits at the polls? That is what being " appropriately regulated" seems to have really meant. Voter suppression.
 
Do you support 6 hour waits at the polls? That is what being " appropriately regulated" seems to have really meant. Voter suppression.

What is wrong with 6 hour waits at the polls?

Why is that unacceptable when 72 hour waits on buying a firearm is not?
 
Short Term....... Yes, shootings are on the rise...

In fact....

Between When Bush Took Office and when he left.... over a 8 year span..... We had 10 what are considered "Mass Shootings" totaling in 95 deaths.

In the mere 4 years that Obama has been in Office...... a 4 year span....... We have had 17 "Mass Shootings" totaling in 139 deaths. Including 9 just this year alone.

Im sorry if I sound like a conspiracy nut, but I find it convenient that the gun control party gets in office and mass shootings increase in frequency. ESPECIALLY considering most of the mass shootings that occurred during Bush's presidency occurred after the 2006 mid term elections where the Democrats took the House.

I know.... sound the conspiracy theory nut music.... I think I've gone mad but I can't quite shake this notion.

You forget that nothing was done when those shootings happened under Bush and now it appears they are "catching on". That's always the case with media frenzied storys. Don't think there is not "one upmanship" among the severely disturbed. We are seeing a competition, I'm afraid.
 
What is wrong with 6 hour waits at the polls?

Why is that unacceptable when 72 hour waits on buying a firearm is not?

If you don't understand the reason for waiting periods for guns there is no point in argueing. You are past all help.
 
But if even one of these horrors can be prevented by education and regulation then it will be worth the effort. Don't you agree?

I disagree. I think that in the effort to eliminate some of the consequences of freedom, that you can indeed cause yourself to inhabit an overall worse off eigenstate.
 
Perhaps if we should ban anything, we should ban the release of names and photos of the perpetrators of these heinous crimes. Surely many are motivated by the desire to feel important and to "leave their mark". Denying their 15 minutes of fame may reduce the desire to commit such crimes. I would argue it would do more than attempting to ban certain tools of destruction.
 
I disagree. I think that in the effort to eliminate some of the consequences of freedom, that you can indeed cause yourself to inhabit an overall worse off eigenstate.

So the senseless murder of 20 6 year olds is a "consequence of freedom"? You have sick sense of humor.
 
You forget that nothing was done when those shootings happened under Bush and now it appears they are "catching on". That's always the case with media frenzied storys. Don't think there is not "one upmanship" among the severely disturbed. We are seeing a competition, I'm afraid.
I said this exact same thing in a different thread the day of the shooting.

Among the truly psychotic out there, there is now a "record" that can be broken. I have no proof of this and am basing it on nothing more than gut instinct but when you look at the way some of these things are being carried out it's hard to argue that the perpetrators weren't thinking in terms of pure numbers of victims. It's becoming a sick and twisted competition, I agree.
 
You forget that nothing was done when those shootings happened under Bush and now it appears they are "catching on". That's always the case with media frenzied storys. Don't think there is not "one upmanship" among the severely disturbed. We are seeing a competition, I'm afraid.
I have to disagree about the "nothing was done" part, though. It ties politics into this in a way that only divides people at a time when we need to come together. Columbine was the first real big one that I can remember and that was when Clinton was president. I certainly don't blame him for "doing nothing" and would never suggest that there is something that he could have done to prevent what happened last Friday.
 
So the senseless murder of 20 6 year olds is a "consequence of freedom"? You have sick sense of humor.

It's not humor. Rather it's an understanding of probabilities and statistics.
 
Ummm, hate to tell you, but you were the one that changed the topic.:2wave:

Not at all. You were the one discussing the need to infringe on certain rights and I just wanted to see if you applied the same standard to all rights........you do not.
 
You forget that nothing was done when those shootings happened under Bush and now it appears they are "catching on". That's always the case with media frenzied storys. Don't think there is not "one upmanship" among the severely disturbed. We are seeing a competition, I'm afraid.

I agree with that. There is a competition to see who can get the highest statistics and the most hours of coverage.

They must discuss this in hell or something.

Regardless....... Gun control isn't the answer. And we can't make legislation to force the media not to cover something...... But if the media would understand that they are part of the problem and quit covering it for 96 hours straight then maybe these problems wouldn't be so frequent.
 
If you don't understand the reason for waiting periods for guns there is no point in argueing. You are past all help.

Why can't you seem to explain it then?

If it seems so simple.

A Crazy person can be crazy for 1, 24, 48, 72, 96, or 1,223,122 hours........A waiting period isn't going to change anything except be yet another barrier to lawful ownership of a weapon.
 
Why can't you seem to explain it then?

If it seems so simple.

A Crazy person can be crazy for 1, 24, 48, 72, 96, or 1,223,122 hours........A waiting period isn't going to change anything except be yet another barrier to lawful ownership of a weapon.

You have never heard of people doing things they regret on impulse or crimes of passion huh? You lead a sheltered life, I guess
Sitting around talking to your guns is not healthy, you need to get out more.
 
So the senseless murder of 20 6 year olds is a "consequence of freedom"? You have sick sense of humor.

It is not funny, it is reality.
 
You have never heard of people doing things they regret on impulse or crimes of passion huh? You lead a sheltered life, I guess
Sitting around talking to your guns is not healthy, you need to get out more.

The regret comes from HAVING DONE the act..... not having a certain number of hours pass with nothing happening.

A. I don't talk to my gun.
B. I highly doubt I lead a sheltered life considering I work as a police officer. Alot LESS sheltered than some douche sitting in a ****ing cubical behind a desk all goddamned day.
 
Even when several Professors of Criminology tell you otherwise, you stick with your view.

You WANT there to be an increase in mass shootings.... you NEED there to be an increase in mass shootings.

And how quickly you jump on the defensive at the mention that these mass shootings aren't as common proves this.

its sad really.

I'm sure I watched Obama giving his speech tonight where he definitely said there had been '4 mass shootings since he had become president. Considering he has just started his second term, that is a horrendous statistic for any industrialized nation.

Paul
 
I'm sure I watched Obama giving his speech tonight where he definitely said there had been '4 mass shootings since he had become president. Considering he has just started his second term, that is a horrendous statistic for any industrialized nation.

Paul

No.. there have been 17 since he has become president technically. While only 10 under 8 years of Bush.
 
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