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    Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

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    Ever since last Friday's murderous rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., the primal scream of "We need tougher gun control laws!" has been heard throughout much of the blogosphere, social networks and mainstream media.

    If it weren't so easy to obtain lethal weapons, the argument goes, it wouldn't be so easy to commit these horrific crimes.

    This is a powerful argument, so powerful that it can blind us to a deeper argument- the notion that mass violence is very much a disease, and until we treat it as such, gun control and law enforcement can only do so much.

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    In a seminal study published in 2000 by The New York Times that examined 100 rampage attacks over 50 years, the authors noted our lack of knowledge on this subject: "While many possible causes have been cited, including violent video games, a decline in moral values and the easy availability of guns, there has been little serious study of this explosive violence."

    We have "overlooked a critical issue," the study pointed out, which is that "at least half of the killers showed signs of serious mental health problems."

    The study adds: "Society has turned to law enforcement to resolve the rampage killings that have become almost a staple of the nightly news. There has been an increasing call for greater security in schools and in the workplace. But a closer look shows that these cases may have more to do with society's lack of knowledge of mental health issues, rather than a lack of security.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Here's a solution for you: implement a five cent tax on gunpowder to restore the mental health services Ronald Reagan gutted in the 1980s.

    But that's pragmatic, and doesn't lend itself well to moralistic shrieking.

    EDIT: Of course, this has also been proposed by the fellows at the Democratic Underground, so you may rest assured that fault will be found with the proposers of this policy, rather than the policy itself.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    I think it is time for a mental health database. Anyone who has shown any sign of or who has sought treatment for mental health issues with a violence component should be put in the database with criminals and prohibited from buying any guns. The mentally ill often receive publicly funded healthcare--the diagnosis codes need to go in the database.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Here's a solution for you: implement a five cent tax on gunpowder to restore the mental health services Ronald Reagan gutted in the 1980s.

    But that's pragmatic, and doesn't lend itself well to moralistic shrieking.
    Except the democrats controlled the Congress and wrote the laws in the 1980's.

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    Except the democrats controlled the Congress and wrote the laws in the 1980's.
    And Ronald Reagan openly championed 'deinstitutionalization' from his bully pulpit.

    But all's well and good. The Republican Congress is responsible for Obamacare, after all. We all know that. The President's virtually powerless, isn't he?
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    Strange, that, considering the concept of a gunpowder tax was first proposed by the laissez-faire Gladstonian Liberals in Britain in the 1890s.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Here's a solution for you: implement a five cent tax on gunpowder to restore the mental health services Ronald Reagan gutted in the 1980s.


    There is always someone who claims the solution to everything is another and more taxes.

    I think they are called "Democrats" or something like that.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There is always someone who claims the solution to everything is another and more taxes.

    I think they are called "Democrats" or something like that.
    And again: the idea of a gunpowder tax originated in Britain. In the 1890s. In the Party that at the time was associated with low-taxes.

    Though, of course, that said, in a modern context, the Democrats did win the last election. Quite handily, too, might I add.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    And Ronald Reagan openly championed 'deinstitutionalization' from his bully pulpit.

    But all's well and good. The Republican Congress is responsible for Obamacare, after all. We all know that. The President's virtually powerless, isn't he?
    Except to say no. But without Nancy in the pulpit, he isn't getting what he wants, including gun control.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Except to say no. But without Nancy in the pulpit, he isn't getting what he wants, including gun control.
    Ah, I see. The real purpose of this thread reveals itself, and spares no time in doing so: a diversionary attempt to move the discussion away from gun control. "We need more mental health services! But we will take precisely no steps towards actually funding them!"

    So shallow. And, God, you're so easy.
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