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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the citizens of California, NYC and NJ are calling you a liar..

    and yes we should be able to buy full automatic rifles easily. They are clearly protected by the second amendment
    I think you are going to get your wish. The death tolls from the most recent shootings have seemed to me to be way smaller than they should have been. Assault rifles on full automatic should be able to take care of that failing. Especially with those little kids. They don't run very fast.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you admit your goal is to punish recreational and competitive shooters because of the actions of criminals.
    My intent is to find a way to pay for a nationwide health care and gun violence prevention scheme that doesn't disproportionally fall on those whose behavior is not relevant to the issue. If the subject were diabetes, and I were tasked with finding a way to establish a specialized, nation-wide system of treatment for diabetes, I would want to tax sugar, not raise income taxes on everyone.

    that sort of makes you an enemy doesn't it?
    Thing is that I don't particularly want you as an ally.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the real mental health problems I am seeing over this shooting is the insanity we are getting from the left over legal gun ownership
    Never let a "crisis" go to waste! Not only can the left get more gov't, they make "them" pay for it too!
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Gun owners tend to vote incorrectly, while black males tend to vote correctly. You must understand leftist logic to fully "get it". The idea is now trying to punish, by taxation, "others" because a crazy person comitted a crime using a gun. Why tax everyone when you can target additional taxation only to "them"? Yes they can!
    Funny. The day before he committed the crime he had every right to own those firearms and a lot more besides. He apparently wasn't crazy then.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Actually, I'm a libertarian who thinks a gunpowder tax is a fine political compromise that would vouchsafe the rights of gun owners from any real threat of Federal gun control legislation.



    They're already taxed for the cost of STDs and AIDS when they pay their insurance premiums.
    you are no libertarian.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Never let a "crisis" go to waste! Not only can the left get more gov't, they make "them" pay for it too!
    Once more, with feeling: do you want to prevent there from being a massive public backlash against gun ownership? Then you must be prepared to give a little. This principle of 'noncompromise' on the Right has done it more harm than anything else I can think of.

    Better a gunpowder tax than an assault weapons ban.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I think you are going to get your wish. The death tolls from the most recent shootings have seemed to me to be way smaller than they should have been. Assault rifles on full automatic should be able to take care of that failing. Especially with those little kids. They don't run very fast.
    the idiotic posts from the left are getting beyond pathetic.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are no libertarian.
    I am. What I am is a libertarian in the complete, European sense - friendly to non-government labor unions and workers' co-operatives, sympathetic to the rural poor, in favor of political equanimity. What I am not is an Austrian clone who reads Rand or Mises and goes off thinking I'm some rugged individual, like the millions of other rugged individuals out there.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    ...and you trust what government (Federal) agency to determine if your starting that fight in 6th grade is mental illness or a bad day?
    They don't make the determination. The school does. Teachers and faculty should be personally liable for not reporting someone with mental illness and violent tendencies if the come back and shoot up the place to the database. We could have a process where the mentally ill get their gun rights back when they are older if they can show themselves better similar to felons in those states that take gun rights away and federally. Every time one of these shootings happens just about, we learn after the fact that there were plenty of warning signs and that the person did not just snap. If you have a better way to address the preventative identification and alienation of the dangerous people before the bodies pile up independent of guns, I am all ears. I mean I read story once where a nut in Canada killed and practically decapitated a guy with a knife on a bus for no apparent reason. Systemic change requires we do more than put a band-aid on the issue and pat ourselves on the back.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Once more, with feeling: do you want to prevent there from being a massive public backlash against gun ownership? Then you must be prepared to give a little. This principle of 'noncompromise' on the Right has done it more harm than anything else I can think of.

    Better a gunpowder tax than an assault weapons ban.
    what do the gun haters like you give in return? given we have the constitution on our side TWICE

    1) there is no proper power delegated to the federal government to regulate small arms-your side ignored the tenth amendment under FDR and grabbed that power

    2) the second amendment.

    each year gun haters like you want to take more from us and give us nothing in return

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