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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    We punish responsible and legal doctors for the actions of irresponsible doctors. It's called "malpractice insurance".

    There's nothing inherently wrong with a punitive tax that prevents the misuse of the object it's applied towards. Historically, in fact, until the mid-20th century, punitive taxes were the preferred form of taxation. It created a concrete, objective link between an action and the responsibility for the results of that action. I'm a Liberal (capital-l, Gladstonian liberal), but not so liberal as to think that there ought not be some way to leverage a community into not abusing its rights. That includes the gun owners' community.

    Take your rage, my good man, and disappear.
    you are the one enraged against gun owners, You want people who use a product legally to be forced to pay for actions that are illegal. Malpractice insurance is voluntary. and the more you screw up the more you pay.

    but deep down you are nothing more than a lefty who figures harassing gun owners mainly harasses conservatives. it would be like demanding all homosexuals-including lesbians, be taxed for the cost of STDs and AIDS

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you want to punish responsible and legal gun owners for the actions of illegal gun owners

    less than 1% of gun owners misuse their guns. a far higher percentage of black males have felony records by the time they are 40 years old. Why not tax black males for crime using your idiotic logic.
    I think all of you gun folks just need to relax. Everybody knows there will never, ever be any successful effort to limit the availabilty of guns. In fact, it will go the other way and soon any controls at all will be gone and if you want to go in and buy a fully automatic assault rifle at your local hardware store, you'll be able to do it.

    It doesn't matter how many 6 year olds get murdered by a guy with a semi-automatic rifle. The only change that will ever take place will go in your direction, not ours.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

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    Clever, but you used "metal health" as the issue. How does one predict, with any certainty, which of the "mentally ill" may resort to gun violence? Just as with alcoholism, the vast majority start by drinking milk, long before they switch to booze. Should we then tax milk to cover the treatment of that "illness"? Crazy folks use lots of things to cause mayhem, death and destruction; kerosene and fertilizer, matches and accelerants, knives, cars and sometimes, yes, even guns that they stole from their own mothers (perhaps after killing them). Do those that shoot more often contribute to this mental illness problem more than those that do not shoot as often?
    the real mental health problems I am seeing over this shooting is the insanity we are getting from the left over legal gun ownership

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    There have been reports that suggest half the people shot by the police in the US annually are mentally ill and a significant number of prison and jail inmates are mentally ill. It clearly makes more sense to go after the mentally ill who show signs of predisposition for violence proactively. A database to keep them away from guns is just a start. Their healthcare is already covered so it really is a matter of room and board. Their SSI checks can go for that and it is better they be in a therapeutic community than eventually in prison or the ground. I am somewhat surprised the leftists are not jumping on board with this idea.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I think all of you gun folks just need to relax. Everybody knows there will never, ever be any successful effort to limit the availabilty of guns. In fact, it will go the other way and soon any controls at all will be gone and if you want to go in and buy a fully automatic assault rifle at your local hardware store, you'll be able to do it.

    It doesn't matter how many 6 year olds get murdered by a guy with a semi-automatic rifle. The only change that will ever take place will go in your direction, not ours.
    the citizens of California, NYC and NJ are calling you a liar..

    and yes we should be able to buy full automatic rifles easily. They are clearly protected by the second amendment

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Clever, but you used "metal health" as the issue. How does one predict, with any certainty, which of the "mentally ill" may resort to gun violence?
    Punitive taxes, applied as a preventative measure, are nondiscriminatory: you will pay them if you intend to abuse the object to which they're applied just as assuredly as you will if you intend to use it for its legitimate purposes. There is nothing wrong or unfair about this.

    Just as with alcoholism, the vast majority start by drinking milk, long before they switch to booze. Should we then tax milk to cover the treatment of that "illness"?
    The difference is that a gun will shoot no matter who fires it. Milk will never get you drunk.

    Crazy folks use lots of things to cause mayhem, death and destruction; kerosene and fertilizer, matches and accelerants, knives, cars and sometimes, yes, even guns that they stole from their own mothers (perhaps after killing them). Do those that shoot more often contribute to this mental illness problem more than those that do not shoot as often?
    You may, if you like, expand the tax to pocket knives, ceremonial weapons, and the like. A fine idea, in fact.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Punitive taxes, applied as a preventative measure, are nondiscriminatory: you will pay them if you intend to abuse the object to which they're applied just as assuredly as you will if you intend to use it for its legitimate purposes. There is nothing wrong or unfair about this.



    The difference is that a gun will shoot no matter who fires it. Milk will never get you drunk.



    You may, if you like, expand the tax to pocket knives, ceremonial weapons, and the like. A fine idea, in fact.
    so you admit your goal is to punish recreational and competitive shooters because of the actions of criminals.

    that sort of makes you an enemy doesn't it?

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    We punish responsible and legal doctors for the actions of irresponsible doctors. It's called "malpractice insurance".

    There's nothing inherently wrong with a punitive tax that prevents the misuse of the object it's applied towards. Historically, in fact, until the mid-20th century, punitive taxes were the preferred form of taxation. It created a concrete, objective link between an action and the responsibility for the results of that action. I'm a Liberal (capital-l, Gladstonian liberal), but not so liberal as to think that there ought not be some way to leverage a community into not abusing its rights. That includes the gun owners' community.

    Take your rage, my good man, and disappear.
    Wouldn't it be more closely related to make parents, teachers, doctors, and anybody else with knowledge that someone had a violent tendency liable for their violent acts? We'd never have a 4th of July show ever again if we hold gunpowder makers liable for wrong acts with their product and fireworks are kind of cool.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are the one enraged against gun owners, You want people who use a product legally to be forced to pay for actions that are illegal. Malpractice insurance is voluntary. and the more you screw up the more you pay.

    but deep down you are nothing more than a lefty who figures harassing gun owners mainly harasses conservatives.
    Actually, I'm a libertarian who thinks a gunpowder tax is a fine political compromise that would vouchsafe the rights of gun owners from any real threat of Federal gun control legislation.

    it would be like demanding all homosexuals-including lesbians, be taxed for the cost of STDs and AIDS
    They're already taxed for the cost of STDs and AIDS when they pay their insurance premiums.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you want to punish responsible and legal gun owners for the actions of illegal gun owners

    less than 1% of gun owners misuse their guns. a far higher percentage of black males have felony records by the time they are 40 years old. Why not tax black males for crime using your idiotic logic.
    Gun owners tend to vote incorrectly, while black males tend to vote correctly. You must understand leftist logic to fully "get it". The idea is now trying to punish, by taxation, "others" because a crazy person comitted a crime using a gun. Why tax everyone when you can target additional taxation only to "them"? Yes they can!
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