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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Here's a solution for you: implement a five cent tax on gunpowder to restore the mental health services Ronald Reagan gutted in the 1980s.

    But that's pragmatic, and doesn't lend itself well to moralistic shrieking.

    EDIT: Of course, this has also been proposed by the fellows at the Democratic Underground, so you may rest assured that fault will be found with the proposers of this policy, rather than the policy itself.
    why should honest gun owners pay more money to fund something you want

    there already is an 11% excise tax on guns and ammo called the Robinson-Pittman tax

    I suspect you are completely unaware of it

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why should honest gun owners pay more money to fund something you want

    there already is an 11% excise tax on guns and ammo called the Robinson-Pittman tax

    I suspect you are completely unaware of it
    I'm very aware of it. And the initial plan was to add 9% tax on top of it.

    And gun owners ought to pay for it because our concern today is gun violence. Gun owners - rightly - resist any effort to impose Federal gun control, but then turn around and bellyache when the idea is broached that they perhaps ought to be required to pay to prevent gun violence. I have precious little sympathy for the stand-pats who, essentially, want to proclaim it's their way or the highway.

    I oppose gun control. I also oppose the lunatic fringers who are not only unwilling to compromise but who regard the very word as tantamount to the Unforgivable Sin.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    No, it assumes that gun owners are responsible for gun crime. Which they are.

    Incidentally, I never fail to be amazed that "libertarians", so-called, can be brought around to whatever slop the Republican Party is peddling, even if it means income tax hikes.
    what oozing idiocy gun owners are not responsible for gun crime any more than those who drink responsibly are responsible for drunk drivers killing people.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what oozing idiocy gun owners are not responsible for gun crime any more than those who drink responsibly are responsible for drunk drivers killing people.
    Those who commit gun violence are gun owners. The gun owners who commit gun violence are responsible for gun violence.

    Do you see how this works?
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    There is always someone who claims the solution to everything is another and more taxes.

    I think they are called "Democrats" or something like that.
    That and the link between mental illness and gunpowder is obviously strong. Can't tax anything else for that purpose or the lefties may have to pay a bit too.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That and the link between mental illness and gunpowder is obviously strong. Can't tax anything else for that purpose or the lefties may have to pay a bit too.
    The link between gunpowder and gun violence is quite strong. You're absolutely right.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    Those who commit gun violence are gun owners. The gun owners who commit gun violence are responsible for gun violence.

    Do you see how this works?
    so you want to punish responsible and legal gun owners for the actions of illegal gun owners

    less than 1% of gun owners misuse their guns. a far higher percentage of black males have felony records by the time they are 40 years old. Why not tax black males for crime using your idiotic logic.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you want to punish responsible and legal gun owners for the actions of illegal gun owners

    less than 1% of gun owners misuse their guns. a far higher percentage of black males have felony records by the time they are 40 years old. Why not tax black males for crime using your idiotic logic.
    We punish responsible and legal doctors for the actions of irresponsible doctors. It's called "malpractice insurance".

    There's nothing inherently wrong with a punitive tax that prevents the misuse of the object it's applied towards. Historically, in fact, until the mid-20th century, punitive taxes were the preferred form of taxation. It created a concrete, objective link between an action and the responsibility for the results of that action. I'm a Liberal (capital-l, Gladstonian liberal), but not so liberal as to think that there ought not be some way to leverage a community into not abusing its rights. That includes the gun owners' community.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    ...and you trust what government (Federal) agency to determine if your starting that fight in 6th grade is mental illness or a bad day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Well, would you rather we have more piles of dead people? My answer is yes--if you have threatened or carried out physical violence on another person or yourself and have a known diagnosis if mental handicap then you should be in the database. It isn't like autistic kids and kids with cerebral palsy really need guns to hunt with or anything.

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    The link between gunpowder and gun violence is quite strong. You're absolutely right.
    Clever, but you used "metal health" as the issue. How does one predict, with any certainty, which of the "mentally ill" may resort to gun violence? Just as with alcoholism, the vast majority start by drinking milk, long before they switch to booze. Should we then tax milk to cover the treatment of that "illness"? Crazy folks use lots of things to cause mayhem, death and destruction; kerosene and fertilizer, matches and accelerants, knives, cars and sometimes, yes, even guns that they stole from their own mothers (perhaps after killing them). Do those that shoot more often contribute to this mental illness problem more than those that do not shoot as often?
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