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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    How are fully automatic rifles protected by the second amendment? I see no such language in the second amendment granting the right to own fully automatic rifles.
    what idiocy in that post. arms include such weapons. where in the first amendment does it say Lutheran churches are protected or internet communications

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    Although I myself still question this interpretation of the 2nd amendment to me it's becoming more and more appealing

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
    It is important to focus on all of the text in the 2nd amenment not just the latter part of it. This amendment was put into place for the sake of our national security specifically on a domestic front. I believe that the National Guard which was originally founded as several different state "militas" and whose responsibility today is our national security fullfills the first part of the text making the latter half nill.

    I believe that no ordinary citizen should be able to own a gun whose intended practical use is to kill another human being. No one needs one and I believe it is something our country can learn to live without.

    To go back to the actual topic of the thread however I believe that we should first find an understanding of people who have mental health Issues.T get some grasp of it I'll identify the main two groups of most homicidal persons with mental diseases. First we see psychopaths which depending on the kind of psychosis and the severity of it could have little or no grasp of reality or control over their actions. Then also we have sociopaths who are in complete control of their actions, but are incapable of feeling emotions.

    People with mental illness are for the most part often diagnosed and use government programs for assistance. In this respect its not nearly as diffucult as some might believe and/or say to keep track of those with mental illness.

    Before you purchase any kind of firearm I believe that you should have to prove that you are a citizen capable and responsible enough to use and maintain this weapon. In many cases they do preform a thorough job of this, but due to events both recent and old, I believe it is clear that we need to take a few more steps in makng this nation safer.
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    why do so many progressives hate their fellow citizens and want them defenseless in the event criminals want to attack them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Although I agree with the concept of personal responsibility, from what you are saying I can presume that in order for us to secure funds to prevent a crime, the crime in question has to occur so we can penalize the perpatrators. I don't believe thats really the best option.

    I also have a problem with you refering to taxes as a punishment. Taxes are a responsibility to help insure the welfare of our nation. You should be proud of the fact that for the most part you are a part of helping your country.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why do so many progressives hate their fellow citizens and want them defenseless in the event criminals want to attack them
    Because more guns isn't the answer. If everyone was wielding a weapon because of the constant danger of another with a firearm we would have a society similar to the old west and assuming you've ether read accounts, seen documenteries, or even seen a western film you understand my statement. We need restraint when it comes to guns, we shouldnt be making them more readily available to eveyone.
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Although I agree with the concept of personal responsibility, from what you are saying I can presume that in order for us to secure funds to prevent a crime, the crime in question has to occur so we can penalize the perpatrators. I don't believe thats really the best option.

    I also have a problem with you refering to taxes as a punishment. Taxes are a responsibility to help insure the welfare of our nation. You should be proud of the fact that for the most part you are a part of helping your country.
    Does that mean that those who don't pay taxes i.e. the poor are not helping this country?

    Maybe the poor could help pay some taxes so we can address the mental health issues that are leading to kids being slaughtered or even the mentally ill being killed so much by police. Was funding a now bankrupt solar energy company with a billion dollars wasted worth a billion dollars less for mental health spending?

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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by falcata View Post
    Because more guns isn't the answer. If everyone was wielding a weapon because of the constant danger of another with a firearm we would have a society similar to the old west and assuming you've ether read accounts, seen documenteries, or even seen a western film you understand my statement. We need restraint when it comes to guns, we shouldnt be making them more readily available to eveyone.
    YOur posts demonstrate a rather frightening level of ignorance on the issue. why is it that progressives are so clueless about gun issues so often?

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    As I recall, it has been shown that those video games desensitize people to killing. Military trainers have seen recruits unable to shoot targets even when people around them are being maimed or killed by opposition fire. so some of the training is designed to eliminate the inhibitions of firing on other people. those video games are similar to that training
    These desensitizing video games are available to the world. So explain to me why they only mostly affect Americans, if that is the reson behind the violence. (yes I realize that mass shooting occur in other countries... but not in the same scale as in the US)
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    Re: Sandy Hook: Beyond gun control, disease control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    YOur posts demonstrate a rather frightening level of ignorance on the issue. why is it that progressives are so clueless about gun issues so often?
    I think his post makes a ton of sense. I guess that makes me ignorant too.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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