'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains why

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snopes......lmao that is like a conservative listening to Rush Limbaugh

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Rocketman said:

snopes......lmao that is like a conservative listening to Rush Limbaugh

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Forbes didn't do it for you? Shouldn't you be in the basement saying that liberals murder babies?

And you know you listen to Rush and watch Fox News. Get out of here with that nonsense.

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whysoserious said:

Because you said you think society is sucking off the teat of government and you are prepared for rioting with ammo?

What's not paranoid and angry about that? Scroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooge. LOL

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when 47% of the population is paying no taxes....how would you describe that...if it is not sucking off the govt teat? and since when is preparing for a worst case scenario paranoia?

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OscarB63 said:

when 47% of the population is paying no taxes....how would you describe that...if it is not sucking off the govt teat? and since when is preparing for a worst case scenario paranoia?

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Help me with your thinking process.Are you implying that 47% of the population does not work? Are retired people part of that number? Are military people part of that number? Are you implying that people who work full time plus and do not make enough money to pay taxes should?

Do you need your weapons to protect yourself so that when the 47% becomes 85% and revolt that they can't take yours?

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EarlzP said:

Help me with your thinking process.Are you implying that 47% of the population does not work? Are retired people part of that number? Are military people part of that number? Are you implying that people who work full time plus and do not make enough money to pay taxes should?

Do you need your weapons to protect yourself so that when the 47% becomes 85% and revolt that they can't take yours?

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I am implying nothing. simply stating a fact that 47% of the people pay no income tax. if you are on welfare and getting food stamps, you are sucking off the govt teat. (you can rephrase it to make it sound more PC if you wish).

I need my weapons to protect myself that in the event the system finally breaks down from being over burdened, I can keep those who failed to plan ahead from stealing from me what I have stored up because I planned ahead. And if, by chance, I am wrong, I will still have my stockpile of food and supplies to use during my retirement and I have harmed no one in the process.

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Henrin said:

How are any of those injustices? Perhaps I just don't accept how you are using the word

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Now, this is a good point. My calling these things injustices depends on how we define "justice." The notorious problem with defining "justice," as with such words as "good," "beauty," or "truth," is that it cannot be done without leaving an open question. So, the best we can do is point to it.

I find myself persuaded that John Rawles has a fairly good method for figuring how to point to correct instantiations of justice--that is, at societies which embody and manifest just principles, and those that do not. The basic idea is this: everyone should imagine that they themselves have no idea what their standing will be in society. They do not know their medical condition, the socioeconomic class into which they will be born, which talents they may or may not possess, and so on. The society which those people agree to live in will be entirely just.

I also find myself persuaded that this means there is a real social contract. Consider: when a criminal breaks a law, we all think (usually) that he or she has violated something. But they (and we) almost certainly had nothing to do with the law being put into place. What, exactly, then, have they violated? The law, obviously, but from what does the law draw power?

So, with these in mind, I'll address your examples:

Henrin said:

but it would seem to me people have a right to hire who they want

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Well, perhaps, but within limits. The economy is so serious because it's how we survive. All the resources are now owned. In such a situation, when one group is unable to find work, that's unjust. Employers are part of the social contract; they have an obligation to hire people and give them reasonable wages. This is the trade off for the privileges of being the boss.

Against those who argue against this sort of position, I would point out that there is a difference between the goal and the means. The goal is to have a society with maximized, fair employment, undisrupted production of goods, where people can enjoy the fruits of their labor. The laws we have enacted that regulate or shape the economy are done so on principles which address the means--free market principles are adopted because they are supposed to ensure that we actually instantiate the ideal.

Henrin said:

access to education is largely up to the people involved and where they live or decide to place their children

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This ignores the fact that where one lives is shaped by income. A person living in, say the lower 9th ward in New Orleans probably has little prospect for moving to the Garden District, where the schools are much better. And without access to good education, their children have little prospect for making such a move themselves.

Henrin said:

incarceration rates have to do with crime rates

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Ideally, the correlation should be 1:1, but it's not. Black people have higher conviction rates than white people out of total cases tried, which says something pretty important, IMO.

Henrin said:

and healthcare access mostly deals with the people in play and nothing to do with race.

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I don't understand. People 'in play'? There seems to be plenty of evidence that race affects access to health care.

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Napoleon said:

It takes more backbone to take ownership of your own failings than to fabricate a lie about racial considerations.

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Only someone who was convinced beforehand that the line I've been taking is a lie would write something like that. I think it takes backbone to first recognize the truth, and do something about it when it's not right.

Napoleon said:

Actually, the result of a disregard for education. Blacks are more likely to drop out of high school and less likely to pursue a higher education and will therefore earn less.

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I've posted links earlier in this thread to studies which demonstrate pretty convincingly that people who are in a position to hire will disproportionately make negative judgements about black candidates and prefer white candidates, even when both have exactly the same resume.

Napoleon said:

Really? Where? Affirmative Action solved that problem and you're entitled to the education you earn.

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Pretty much everywhere. Affirmative action solved no such problem; inner city schools are terrible, and do not have the funds the hire good teachers, with the result that even the students who graduate from them don't have the necessary foundation to even attend a regional college, much less an institution in the top three tiers or so. How would affirmative action "solve" such a problem?

Napoleon said:

Because they commit more crimes.

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Also untrue. Black people have much higher conviction rates than white people. So it cannot be merely that they commit more crimes.

Napoleon said:

There is no racially motivated healthcare inequality. All of these things boil down to education.

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Not really--it comes down to money, which has partially to do with education. But in any event, again, I've posted links in this thread which show your assertion to be false.

Rocketman said:

And they should because why, have they been here as long?

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Nearly as long. But by that logic, American Indians ought to be running the show.

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ashurbanipal said:

Nearly as long. But by that logic, American Indians ought to be running the show.

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and yet, unlike blacks...you don't see us bitching and crying and blaming "whitey" for all our problems. I wonder why that is :shrug:

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OscarB63 said:

and yet, unlike blacks...you don't see us bitching and crying and blaming "whitey" for all our problems. I wonder why that is

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Actually, I see that about as often between Native American and African American groups, especially if you account for the relative proportion each group makes up of our overall population.

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ashurbanipal said:

Actually, I see that about as often between Native American and African American groups, especially if you account for the relative proportion each group makes up of our overall population.

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odd, I am half native american and I have never heard any of my relatives blame whitey for their problems :shrug:

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OscarB63 said:

and yet, unlike blacks...you don't see us bitching and crying and blaming "whitey" for all our problems. I wonder why that is :shrug:

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Because they gave native Americans land, you get to set your own rules and lets not go into casino's and high interest loans. Native Americans were also not taken from there continent of origin after being sold into slavery by there own. They did not have to deal with Jim crow, slavery or the stigma of being a black male.

Native Americans did not have it easy, but there is no comparison.

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OscarB63 said:

odd, I am half native american and I have never heard any of my relatives blame whitey for their problems :shrug:

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Then you don't want to see it is all I can figure.

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OscarB63 said:

odd, I am half native american and I have never heard any of my relatives blame whitey for their problems :shrug:

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Which of your parents is 100% native American?

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Ben K. said:

Meh, when was the last time you saw a movie with a black leading man? Not a comedy or a popcorn action flick starring will smith. A serious movie with a chance to win awards, that also doesn't revolve it's plot around the blackness of the character?

Nothing racist in what he said.

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I saw "Flight" last week.

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spanky said:

I saw "Flight" last week.

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The Denzel is the exception to all rules. He is like the black Chuck Norris, lol.

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Blackdog said:

Then you don't want to see it is all I can figure.

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or maybe I just don't hang out with the sorry ass indians

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Caine said:

Which of your parents is 100% native American?

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both my parents were 50%. two of my grandparents were 100%

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OscarB63 said:

or maybe I just don't hang out with the sorry ass indians

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That maybe true, then you do know it happens lol. LIAR! you have been found out! I am calling the NAACP and the Anti defamation league! I will then inform the tribal council and your parents of your slander! How dare you!

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Blackdog said:

Because they gave native Americans land, you get to set your own rules and lets not go into casino's and high interest loans. Native Americans were also not taken from there continent of origin after being sold into slavery by there own. They did not have to deal with Jim crow, slavery or the stigma of being a black male.

Native Americans did not have it easy, but there is no comparison.

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yeah, there is no comparison between slavery and wholesale genocide.

as for the stigma of being a black male....most of those so stigmatized these days bring it on themselves. maybe my perspective is skewed because I've spent most of my adult life in the military where the color of your skin is not a determining factor. My current Brigade CO (O6 Colonel) is a black man, our current HQ first sgt (master sgt) is a black man and I could give you a laundry list of senior NCOs and Officers in our brigade who are black men. none of them allowed being black to handicap them and keep them in the ghettos.

blaming a lack of success in today's society on the color of your skin is a cop-out.

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OscarB63 said:

yeah, there is no comparison between slavery and wholesale genocide.

as for the stigma of being a black male....most of those so stigmatized these days bring it on themselves. maybe my perspective is skewed because I've spent most of my adult life in the military where the color of your skin is not a determining factor. My current Brigade CO (O6 Colonel) is a black man, our current HQ first sgt (master sgt) is a black man and I could give you a laundry list of senior NCOs and Officers in our brigade who are black men. none of them allowed being black to handicap them and keep them in the ghettos.

blaming a lack of success in today's society on the color of your skin is a cop-out.

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I spent 27 years in the Army and your description is very accurate. Skin color is not a deterrent, not really in civilian society either. I have now been retired almost 25 years (come Feb) and in the south I see successful blacks as well. One of the biggest problems I have seen in the success of black men is the chip they seem to wear on their shoulder. Of course in the urban areas of the large northern cities that may not be true. I am sure the situation is exaggerated on TV, at least I hope it is. Otherwise it is time for them to come home to the south where the social climate is better.

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ashurbanipal said:

I've posted links earlier in this thread to studies which demonstrate pretty convincingly that people who are in a position to hire will disproportionately make negative judgements about black candidates and prefer white candidates, even when both have exactly the same resume.

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The study demonstrated no such thing. Two resumes may appear to be the same on the surface but underneath are never exactly the same. No two people have the exact same experience and there are any number of differences which would more easily explain the discrepancy than allegations of a vast conspiracy to keep blacks unemployed. For example, both candidates may have a degree in business but one may be from Harvard and the other from City College. One may have a recommendation from a person highly regarded in the field while the other may not. There could be elements of cronyism, one candidate may have better communication skills than the other, or maybe the interviewer just didn't like what one of the candidates wore to the interview, etc.

ashurbanipal said:

Pretty much everywhere. Affirmative action solved no such problem; inner city schools are terrible, and do not have the funds the hire good teachers, with the result that even the students who graduate from them don't have the necessary foundation to even attend a regional college, much less an institution in the top three tiers or so.

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I'm seeing a lot of excuses and not a lot of facts. Education is, by and large, what the student makes of it and to claim that no student of an inner city school is qualified for higher education is patently false. If a black woman in the early 20th century could become a self-made millionairess then there is no legitimate reason why blacks can't go to school instead of dropping out or squandering the educational opportunities they do have.

ashurbanipal said:

Also untrue. Black people have much higher conviction rates than white people. So it cannot be merely that they commit more crimes.

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False.

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Blackdog said:

The Denzel is the exception to all rules. He is like the black Chuck Norris, lol.

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What I found funny was the way Ben couched his comment to exclude guys like Will Smith, arguably one of the biggest stars in recent memory (Independence day, I am legend, I robot, MIB series, hancock, seven pounds, bad boys, pursuit of happiness, hitch, etc)

Samuel L. Jackson
Morgan Freeman
Don Cheadle
Cuba Gooding Jr
Ving Rhames
etc
etc
etc

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Blackdog said:

The Denzel is the exception to all rules. He is like the black Chuck Norris, lol.

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Someone excluded Will Smith earlier. I guess anytime someone comes up with an answer people will claim "doesn't count". An interesting debate tactic...if you're debating children.

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Napoleon said:

Education is, by and large, what the student makes of it and to claim that no student of an inner city school is qualified for higher education is patently false. If a black woman in the early 20th century could become a self-made millionairess then there is no legitimate reason why blacks can't go to school instead of dropping out or squandering the educational opportunities they do have.

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yeah...the lack of education excuse is just another cop-out. I went to one of the poorest high schools in one of the poorest counties in the state of alabama (the english teacher was the same lady who taught math and there was only one science teacher for the whole school ) and that didn't stop me from going to college and getting a degree. that didn't stop many of my black classmates from going to college and getting degrees.

crying that because you attended some ****ty inner city school you never had a chance is just plain BS.

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dnsmith said:

I spent 27 years in the Army and your description is very accurate. Skin color is not a deterrent, not really in civilian society either. I have now been retired almost 25 years (come Feb) and in the south I see successful blacks as well. One of the biggest problems I have seen in the success of black men is the chip they seem to wear on their shoulder. Of course in the urban areas of the large northern cities that may not be true. I am sure the situation is exaggerated on TV, at least I hope it is. Otherwise it is time for them to come home to the south where the social climate is better.

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funny that in the south (where every white person is apparently a flaming racist) there seems to be no shortage of successful blacks. I work for a govt contractor and several of the guys in our upper management are black. In my little backwoods county there are black cops, judges, politicians, doctors, lawyers, teachers, etc.

that's why I always shake my head and wonder just where the hell this horribly racist america is that people are always complaining about.