'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains why

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Rainman05 said:

So, your experiences are universal? You are a spokesperson for the black community then. <sarcasm>

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Yea that's exactly what I said. Nice strawman though.

Rainman05 said:

Also. you are triviliazing a complex issue, which is why it is still an issue.

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Complex? COMPLEX? It's no more complex than you think your race is superior/inferior, that's it. Nothing complex about that.

Rainman05 said:

Unlike you, I am not stating anything to a certainty. I am just providing context and theories.

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This is not a statement of theory, it is a statement of fact...

Thirdly, this is exactly my point. That racism exists and is alive and well because it is an integral part of human nature if you believe the above statements to be true. And therefore, you can never get rid of racism because racism is embedded deep within each and every human being, of any race, on the planet. A fight against racism is a fight against humanity itself. This is explained all in the above comment i made. It is therefore not a cultural phenomenon, but an inherent human phenomenon. - Rainman05

Rainman05 said:

You are the one who apparently, is either unable to understand complex ideas or is unwilling to. Either way, it is not good for you. And not good for the conversation.

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I understand them perfectly and they are crap.

#1 Race is a social construct
#2 Racism is a learned response, not inherent.

Your "factually" stated "theory" is bull****, wrong, not correct according to modern science...

There are some psychiatrists pioneering the study that racism is a psychiatric disorder however, in general most agree that racism is a learned behavior especially since an individual learns this belief system under a social context. - http://www.essayjoint.co.uk/samples/Racism A Learned Behavior.pdf

Racism is quite a hot topic, and isn't likely to go away anytime soon.

The following is a true story:

A white young boy, John, of about five years old came in and told his mother, "I don't like black people."

The mother was somewhat surprised as her best friend, Sarah, was a black lady and her son, Todd, played together all the time.

The mother asked John, "what about Todd?" John's friend.

John didn't say anything - remember; he's five (5).

The mother asked John, "what about Ms. Sarah?"

John thought for a moment and he didn't say anything. (He's 5 years old) It was as though he was thinking about his friend and his friend's mother without realizing that their skin color was different from his.

Upon further investigation, John told his mother that he'd heard the people next door say bad things about black people.

Now what does that tell you!!

Taught through a learned behavior?

Or

Inherent behavior? - Racism - Learned Behavior Or Inherent Behavior?

Rainman05 said:

Do go back and read the comments we had. I have clearly stated that if the things I wrote nicely in A B C D... etc are true. Then the only logical conclusion is that which I made. I have never stated that I agree with the theories I put forward. They are just logical conclusions. Your replies have proven to me that you are unable to understand them and thus, can only ignore them or trivialize them, both courses of actions lead to your discrediting as a serious debater.

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This is not a logical conclusion. That is the problem, the causation/correlation does not exist between success and racism. So the only conclusion I can come to is you want to justify racism as inborn, thus justifying your own racism.

Rainman05 said:

Add that to the fact you are constantly making it about "me" and "you" when such a debate should be about ideas and the way they are implemented in public.

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You are the one doing such...

Then the only logical conclusion is that which I made. - Rainman05

Then you say my examples are somehow me. Sorry it's all you man.

Rainman05 said:

You are even now returning to the same "silver bullet" strategy of calling me a racist because you cannot come up with a viable alternative to what is happening. You cannot explain it. You are criticizing the "status quo" of racial relations and provide no notions as to why it exists. It cannot be something that is taught because if it is something that is taught then the social climate is against you. Racism and racists are criticized and persecuted every single time in social and public life. it is discouraged. yet it persists. Therefore, the logical conclusion is that the root of racism is something stronger than just mindset... then just teaching. And the only thing stronger than ideology is the natural human condition.

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Because you will not accept that your conclusion is not only wrong, but highly flawed according to most scientific data. Sorry that says it all right there.

Rainman05 said:

If you cannot come up with serious replies and arguments for your position, then I shall have no alternative but to discredit you further as a weak, pathetic debater who is not any further worth my time.

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You did not have a valid argument before this even started.

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Blackdog said:

I already covered most of this. You are just repeating yourself at this point. Racism exists and it is a cultural phenomenon that is not going away anytime soon.

Your reasoning is flawed because a black person being successful is not a factor in racism. Blacks were successful prior to the civil rights movement through hard work etc. You are completely and utterly blinded by your own bigotry in this. I mean look at your own comments like "think what you will. NAACP, affirmative action... they exist. You have no argument there. So because of affirmative action laws and the NAACP, the racism I experienced directly and still do is invalid? What kind of moronic crap is that?

Every black person on this forum including the stanchest black conservative can tell you racism is alive and well in the US. The fact that you want to deny this because some blacks are successful is absolutely stupefying, I mean really.

You need to get a grip on reality and stop pretending racism just vanished because Obama was elected.

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Blackdog,

What blacks need to realize is, whether intentional or not, blacks have kept feeding the racism while society tried to kill it. If you're trying to rid your home of cockroaches then you don't want to be leaving food scraps around the house. Consider the following:

1. The word nigger has been seen as far worse than any curse words for historical reasons. Instead of helping to stop the use of that word, the black society has made that word more common than ever. They can't claim they try to turn it into a positive word either. Just as much as you hear "dats my nigga Jason" you hear "Nigga, I'll $&@$ yo azz up!".

2. Over the years since MLK, claims of racism have reached an unbelievable degree of absurdity. Consider two of the most recent events. Not wanting Rice as Secretary of State after Benghazi resulted in both sexism and racism accusations. Even more absurd, you have Whitlock call the NRA the new KKK after Belcher's murder suicide. He explicitly stated he believed in a conspiracy that whites were trying to load black youth up with guns and drugs so they'd kill each other over drug wars. Blacks and the media were quicker than flies on $&@$ to cry racism against Zimmerman. There's a very good reason the term "race card" has become common.

3. Black society has been the squeaky wheel that wants more than the grease, they want the bacon as well. Again falling back to the race card, when they are losing in unemployment and GPA, let's blame it on poverty and trace that poverty all the way back to slavery. I'm sure you've heard the complaint of having worse schools. I'm sorry, but they've got chalkboards and books as good as when I was in school. Furthermore, Asians come out on top in GPA, and they obviously aren't in better schools than whites. From a mile away you can see that the difference is the commonality of teaching the value of education.

I have more I could add, but I think that's enough to argue that racism has evolved. Years ago, it was the belief in inferiority of races based purely on their race. Nowadays, it's because people are annoyed by their actions.

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Mathematician said:

Blackdog,

What blacks need to realize is, whether intentional or not, blacks have kept feeding the racism while society tried to kill it. If you're trying to rid your home of cockroaches then you don't want to be leaving food scraps around the house. Consider the following:

1. The word nigger has been seen as far worse than any curse words for historical reasons. Instead of helping to stop the use of that word, the black society has made that word more common than ever. They can't claim they try to turn it into a positive word either. Just as much as you hear "dats my nigga Jason" you hear "Nigga, I'll $&@$ yo azz up!".

2. Over the years since MLK, claims of racism have reached an unbelievable degree of absurdity. Consider two of the most recent events. Not wanting Rice as Secretary of State after Benghazi resulted in both sexism and racism accusations. Even more absurd, you have Whitlock call the NRA the new KKK after Belcher's murder suicide. He explicitly stated he believed in a conspiracy that whites were trying to load black youth up with guns and drugs so they'd kill each other over drug wars. Blacks and the meia were quicker than flies on $&@$ to cry racism against Zimmerman. There's a very good reason the term "race card" has become common.

3. Black society has been the squeaky wheel that wants more than the grease, they want the bacon as well. Again falling back to the race card, when they are losing in unemployment and GPA, let's blame it on poverty and trace that poverty all the way back to slavery. I'm sure you've heard the complaint of having worse schools. I'm sorry, but they've got chalkboards and books as good as when I was in school. Furthermore, Asians come out on top in GPA, and they obviously aren't in better schools than whites. From a mile away you can see that the difference is the commonality of teaching the value of education.

I have more I could add, but I think that's enough to argue that racism has evolved. Years ago, it was the belief in inferiority of races based purely on their race. Nowadays, it's because people are annoyed by their actions.

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I agree with allot of this, and disagree with some. This does not excuse racism. I mean people do allot of things to piss people off, blaming it all on race is just silly.

Let me add the problems in the black community are many as you have pointed out some of them. I 100% agree with the thin skin claimed nracism. One guy claimed just saying that there is a group of black guys is racist. That is silly. Again this does not however excuse real racism, period.

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Blackdog said:

Yea that's exactly what I said. Nice strawman though.



Complex? COMPLEX? It's no more complex than you think your race is superior/inferior, that's it. Nothing complex about that.



This is not a statement of theory, it is a statement of fact...

Thirdly, this is exactly my point. That racism exists and is alive and well because it is an integral part of human nature if you believe the above statements to be true. And therefore, you can never get rid of racism because racism is embedded deep within each and every human being, of any race, on the planet. A fight against racism is a fight against humanity itself. This is explained all in the above comment i made. It is therefore not a cultural phenomenon, but an inherent human phenomenon. - Rainman05



I understand them perfectly and they are crap.

#1 Race is a social construct
#2 Racism is a learned response, not inherent.

Your "factually" stated "theory" is bull****, wrong, not correct according to modern science...

There are some psychiatrists pioneering the study that racism is a psychiatric disorder however, in general most agree that racism is a learned behavior especially since an individual learns this belief system under a social context. - http://www.essayjoint.co.uk/samples/Racism A Learned Behavior.pdf

Racism is quite a hot topic, and isn't likely to go away anytime soon.

The following is a true story:

A white young boy, John, of about five years old came in and told his mother, "I don't like black people."

The mother was somewhat surprised as her best friend, Sarah, was a black lady and her son, Todd, played together all the time.

The mother asked John, "what about Todd?" John's friend.

John didn't say anything - remember; he's five (5).

The mother asked John, "what about Ms. Sarah?"

John thought for a moment and he didn't say anything. (He's 5 years old) It was as though he was thinking about his friend and his friend's mother without realizing that their skin color was different from his.

Upon further investigation, John told his mother that he'd heard the people next door say bad things about black people.

Now what does that tell you!!

Taught through a learned behavior?

Or

Inherent behavior? - Racism - Learned Behavior Or Inherent Behavior?



This is not a logical conclusion. That is the problem, the causation/correlation does not exist between success and racism. So the only conclusion I can come to is you want to justify racism as inborn, thus justifying your own racism.



You are the one doing such...

Then the only logical conclusion is that which I made. - Rainman05

Then you say my examples are somehow me. Sorry it's all you man.



Because you will not accept that your conclusion is not only wrong, but highly flawed according to most scientific data. Sorry that says it all right there.



You did not have a valid argument before this even started.

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Dude, you have taken things out of context.

Here: "Thirdly, this is exactly my point. That racism exists and is alive and well because it is an integral part of human nature if you believe the above statements to be true. And therefore, you can never get rid of racism because racism is embedded deep within each and every human being, of any race, on the planet. A fight against racism is a fight against humanity itself. This is explained all in the above comment i made. It is therefore not a cultural phenomenon, but an inherent human phenomenon. - Rainman05"

is tied together with the fact that if the statement provided above, A B C D --- G are TRUE. You are taking things out of context and of course, that way, it sounds racist. Such a low blow. And of course I am saying those things. I am saying them, I am writing them, but it is not about ME. You are making it about you when you say you're black and that you experience whatever it is you said you experienced. There is no way for me to discuss with you on YOUR personal experiences. Such a low blow, disgusting of you man. Disgusting.

Same with the other one.

Furthermore, who the hell are the people who wrote those articles which you presented? They are nobody.

BJC on HubPages

Who is she? She is the person who told you that pretty story and said it was true. What are her credentials? This is her:
BJC on HubPages
I am happily married with three beautiful grand-daughters, and three adult children. Living on the "farm” with my husband, we have approximately 50 chickens (we’ve downsized), dogs, cats, ducks, and four goats, Billy, Rose, Buttercup, & Lily, and gophers. Actually the gophers were there before we were and we see them once in a while and yes, we leave them alone! In fact two of the cats and one of the dogs

Good job man, good job on finding a credible, well informed, well documented source to present your case. A woman who has 50 chickens. Good job man, just awesome. Find more of such people please.

"This is not a logical conclusion. That is the problem, the causation/correlation does not exist between success and racism. So the only conclusion I can come to is you want to justify racism as inborn, thus justifying your own racism." Again, this isn't about me. I am indeed the one who presents these theories, but it doesn't mean I adhere to them. If you really want to know my position is that I don't know. I don't know if racism is inherent or if it is taught. I would like to believe it is taught, but I can not be certain. Because there are too may problems with the notion that it is a social construct.

Also, call me a racist again, or accuse me of being a racist and I will end this conversation with you. Because your silver bullets only serve to discredit you. You have proven yourself to be a joke 3 times in 2 comments now, 2x accusing me of being a racist and the third with that nonsense of a source you put forward. I am willing to give you 1 more comment in which you can show that you are not a joke. use it wisely or else I shan't continue this conversation.

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Rainman05 said:

Dude, you have taken things out of context.

Here: "Thirdly, this is exactly my point. That racism exists and is alive and well because it is an integral part of human nature if you believe the above statements to be true. And therefore, you can never get rid of racism because racism is embedded deep within each and every human being, of any race, on the planet. A fight against racism is a fight against humanity itself. This is explained all in the above comment i made. It is therefore not a cultural phenomenon, but an inherent human phenomenon. - Rainman05"

is tied together with the fact that if the statement provided above, A B C D --- G are TRUE. You are taking things out of context and of course, that way, it sounds racist. Such a low blow. And of course I am saying those things. I am saying them, I am writing them, but it is not about ME. You are making it about you when you say you're black and that you experience whatever it is you said you experienced. There is no way for me to discuss with you on YOUR personal experiences. Such a low blow, disgusting of you man. Disgusting.

Same with the other one.

Furthermore, who the hell are the people who wrote those articles which you presented? They are nobody.

BJC on HubPages

Who is she? She is the person who told you that pretty story and said it was true. What are her credentials? This is her:
BJC on HubPages
I am happily married with three beautiful grand-daughters, and three adult children. Living on the "farm” with my husband, we have approximately 50 chickens (we’ve downsized), dogs, cats, ducks, and four goats, Billy, Rose, Buttercup, & Lily, and gophers. Actually the gophers were there before we were and we see them once in a while and yes, we leave them alone! In fact two of the cats and one of the dogs

Good job man, good job on finding a credible, well informed, well documented source to present your case. A woman who has 50 chickens. Good job man, just awesome. Find more of such people please.

"This is not a logical conclusion. That is the problem, the causation/correlation does not exist between success and racism. So the only conclusion I can come to is you want to justify racism as inborn, thus justifying your own racism." Again, this isn't about me. I am indeed the one who presents these theories, but it doesn't mean I adhere to them. If you really want to know my position is that I don't know. I don't know if racism is inherent or if it is taught. I would like to believe it is taught, but I can not be certain. Because there are too may problems with the notion that it is a social construct.

Also, call me a racist again, or accuse me of being a racist and I will end this conversation with you. Because your silver bullets only serve to discredit you. You have proven yourself to be a joke 3 times in 2 comments now, 2x accusing me of being a racist and the third with that nonsense of a source you put forward. I am willing to give you 1 more comment in which you can show that you are not a joke. use it wisely or else I shan't continue this conversation.

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You can end it now, would not bother me one bit. I mean really first...

You accuse me of saying something I did not...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...amie-foxx-explains-why-32.html#post1061256057

Than you get an attitude because I was indeed correct and you admitted it.

You can take your attitude and leave, I am cool with that.

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Blackdog said:

You can end it now, would not bother me one bit. I mean really first...

You accuse me of saying something I did not...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...amie-foxx-explains-why-32.html#post1061256057

Than you get an attitude because I was indeed correct and you admitted it.

You can take your attitude and leave, I am cool with that.

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Just to end the score. The link you put sends to this comment:
"That is not the issue. You asked for an example where whites are being abused, killed and disowned by the government which they also support and in a country in which they are equal citizens as the others. before the apartheid ended, blacks were lacking certain rights.

So in other words. If 2 men are equal citizens under the law, one black and one white, there is no reason for one citizen to get away with with murder if he kills a white man.

But if there are 2 men who are not equal under the law, then the dynamic changes. As long as one is not covered by the rights that the other has, there is no illegality. It may be immoral... but there is no illegality. So the fact that blacks weren't allowed to enter certain public offices in south africa during apartheid, no laws were broken. So there is no law that punishes people for not letting blacks be part of government. It is immoral, certainly, but law has nothing to do with morality. but once apartheid fell, such actions would be criminal and prosecuted under the law.

Got it? There are differences and they matter. And there is no excuse for the mass killings and abuses decent white people in south africa, who weren't part of the ruling elite, to suffer what they did. Because they were the ones who suffered. Most of the ones who were part of the ruling class either fled the country or were granted special privileges... or were put in prison. But the down to earth white man, who had his family and minded his own business, living in accordance to the law, shouldn't have had to pay the price because some blacks decided that all that white man had, wasn't his ,despite the fact that he owned it. Legally, morally and any other way you want."

Where have I accused you of doing something? I hadn't. And I never said you were correct, only that you were a joke of a debater. And that seems to be the truth since you said I accused you of something in this comment... where as... I hadn't.

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notquiteright said:

An excuse to criticize Foxx at best. How many times has a 'conservative' reminded the rest of us that actors and comedians are just playing a part. We shouldn't believe the part they play is the real person. I suppose any actor portraying a stereotype can't criticize society continuing to feed that stereotype to the PERSON? Carroll O'Connor can't criticize bigoted white men. Rod Steiger can't criticize the segregationist South because he won national fame as an 'old school' southern sheriff? No 'villain' can criticize violence?

Weak Tea at best...

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My best friend from the age of 11 to now..is called Susan Brown...I was shocked when someone told me she was black...:shock:

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Since when was Jamie Foxx a "left wing hero?" What liberal causes has he championed, exactly?

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Rainman05 said:

Just to end the score. The link you put sends to this comment:
"That is not the issue. You asked for an example where whites are being abused, killed and disowned by the government which they also support and in a country in which they are equal citizens as the others. before the apartheid ended, blacks were lacking certain rights.

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Again no I did not. I did not ask you anything. I said it was a piss poor example, and it was.

You took a comment from a post by Cilogy...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...amie-foxx-explains-why-24.html#post1061254319

You took one sentacne out of his entire post and attributed it to me.

Rainman05 said:

So in other words. If 2 men are equal citizens under the law, one black and one white, there is no reason for one citizen to get away with with murder if he kills a white man.

But if there are 2 men who are not equal under the law, then the dynamic changes. As long as one is not covered by the rights that the other has, there is no illegality. It may be immoral... but there is no illegality. So the fact that blacks weren't allowed to enter certain public offices in south africa during apartheid, no laws were broken. So there is no law that punishes people for not letting blacks be part of government. It is immoral, certainly, but law has nothing to do with morality. but once apartheid fell, such actions would be criminal and prosecuted under the law.

Got it? There are differences and they matter. And there is no excuse for the mass killings and abuses decent white people in south africa, who weren't part of the ruling elite, to suffer what they did. Because they were the ones who suffered. Most of the ones who were part of the ruling class either fled the country or were granted special privileges... or were put in prison. But the down to earth white man, who had his family and minded his own business, living in accordance to the law, shouldn't have had to pay the price because some blacks decided that all that white man had, wasn't his ,despite the fact that he owned it. Legally, morally and any other way you want."

Where have I accused you of doing something? I hadn't. And I never said you were correct, only that you were a joke of a debater. And that seems to be the truth since you said I accused you of something in this comment... where as... I hadn't.

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Why don't you actually follow the links.

The only joke here is your misunderstanding.

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Blackdog said:

Again no I did not. I did not ask you anything. I said it was a piss poor example, and it was.

You took a comment from a post by Cilogy...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...amie-foxx-explains-why-24.html#post1061254319

You took one sentacne out of his entire post and attributed it to me.

Why don't you actually follow the links.

The only joke here is your misunderstanding.

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Joke is on you. This is the link from your original comment.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...amie-foxx-explains-why-32.html#post1061256057

This is the link you gave now.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...amie-foxx-explains-why-24.html#post1061254319

post1061256057 vs post1061254319

See. You can't even frame a person right.

This is so embarrassing for you. So, so embarrassing.

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Rainman05 said:

Joke is on you. This is the link from your original comment.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...amie-foxx-explains-why-32.html#post1061256057

This is the link you gave now.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...amie-foxx-explains-why-24.html#post1061254319

post1061256057 vs post1061254319

See. You can't even frame a person right.

This is so embarrassing for you. So, so embarrassing.

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I wish you were kidding. This really is not rocket science.

I linked to my first post because that was my first comment to you...

Blackdog said:

Considering the way blacks were treated for how long? That is a piss poor example.

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It was to the comment you made here...

Rainman05 said:

South Africa. Whites were killed in droves for their property. You know, the property that is supposed to be theirs by right.

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Which was (as I said) your reply to one sentence in someone else's post here...

Cilogy said:

If two kids were to pursue the same path with the same resources, the black kid is more likely come across obstacles than the white kid. It sucks, and we need to do as much as we can to remove those obstacles, but that's unfortunately how it is, even 50 years after civil rights movements.


Because they don't. The system is already sort of fixed in favor of the straight, white, wealthy male.

Generally, a white person can willingly put themselves in a situation where they are victims of racial discrimination, but they can also willingly remove themselves from that. I don't fault them for that, nor blame them, that's sort of where "white guilt" comes from, which is something that's been fabricated by the left to deal with racism. However, I think it's important that white people understand that they have a certain privilege that other groups of people do not.

I haven't come across a situation in which a white person experiences racism for their entire life the way a black person might, can you give me an example so I understand?

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I think we are done here. :mrgreen:

PS a great example would have been Catholics in Ireland. You missed that as well.

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I love blackdog... I really do..... but he has provided me with an excellent example.....

Blackdog said:

I wish I had seen this earlier.

His comments are not far from the truth. As a black man we are under a stigma. I have watched people cross the street because they are scared. My wife and daughter were refused an upgraded room on the basis of the racist counter clerk. I mean people can say it is not that prevalent, but it is. It is just harder to notice because people keep it under raps for fear of reprisals.

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Did the person who crossed the street say, "Im crossing the street because I don't want that negro near me!"

No? Then how do you know they didn't just realize that they needed to be on the other side of the street soon because their location was on the other side?

Did the hotel clerk say, "Im not giving you negros an upgrade because I don't like you."

No?

How do you know the hotel upgrade had ANYTHING to do with the race of your wife and daughter?

Are you jumping to the conclusion that the person was racist without any evidence whatsoever? Its okay if you are, it seems to be the norm in society. I mean, hell, I should know, as a cop who is accused of racism on a regular basis by complete strangers who have only heard me say, "Good evening, can I see your license and registration please".

In fact I agree with him. I notice little things like the Chicago Fireman in my scuba class who is friendly to everyone but me. Would not even talk to me if he could avoid it.

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Ever think maybe there is a different reason why he isn't friendly to you? I was friendly with everyone on my shift except the much older veteran white cop. It wasn't because I hate veteran old white cops, it was because the way he presented himself as a grumpy, unfriendly, hateful old man I didn't want anything to do with him, until I had to go on a long domestic one night and got to know him better.

The cop who stopped me and searched my bag for not other reason than I was walking down the street coming form work in the early morning.

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This is true. Cops check people out who are walking down the street. Do you realize how many "Suspicious Person" calls we get from people about other people walking down the street early in the morning? What makes you assume the police officer was racist rather than just doing his damned job. Did he say anything specific? Did he say, "Hey nigger, I know you got **** in your bag im going to search it because you are a thief just like all black people" ? No? Okay.

These are things most white people don't see or have to put up with. Getting pulled over constantly because I was driving a Conquest Tsi and black. No other reason to pull me over, none.

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Okay. You realize how many black violators who clearly were violating a law before being pulled over claimed they had no reason to be pulled over? Hell white people claim I pulled them over for no reason all the time too. The only difference is that white people don't have the racism excuse. And to be honest..... neither does a black dude at 3am going 60mph in a non-lighted roadway.

Oh wait... Of course, I set my radar to black people that night. :roll:

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Blackdog said:

Considering the way blacks were treated for how long? That is a piss poor example.

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Two wrongs make a right?

I don't ****ing think so.

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DiavoTheMiavo said:

Nope . . . you are an Uncle Tomahito.

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So, if you think your own race is superior you are a racist, but if you think another race is superior then you are an Uncle Tom? Hmm.......

Hate to tell you, but all races are not equal. Some are far more equal than others in terms of certain skills. And some are far more compromised in terms of illnesses and disease, example sickle cell anemia.

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Caine said:

Two wrongs make a right?

I don't ****ing think so.

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The SCOTUS justified affirmative action as a means to 'right past wrongs.'

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Blackdog said:

I wish I had seen this earlier.

His comments are not far from the truth. As a black man we are under a stigma. I have watched people cross the street because they are scared. My wife and daughter were refused an upgraded room on the basis of the racist counter clerk. I mean people can say it is not that prevalent, but it is. It is just harder to notice because people keep it under raps for fear of reprisals.

In fact I agree with him. I notice little things like the Chicago Fireman in my scuba class who is friendly to everyone but me. Would not even talk to me if he could avoid it. The cop who stopped me and searched my bag for not other reason than I was walking down the street coming form work in the early morning. These are things most white people don't see or have to put up with. Getting pulled over constantly because I was driving a Conquest Tsi and black. No other reason to pull me over, none. In a conversation with Mac he brought up the constant stupid questions like "why do blacks do "insert stupid stereo type" from white friends and acquaintances. They don't mean to be insulting, but it is. Hell I have friends on Facebook from childhood who make comments like "you are black? when did this happen" and similar jokes because I don't speak Ebonics or listen to rap. They are just being funny and think it's a joke. They have no idea how insulting it actually is. Like the music I listen to defines me as a person.

You can say it's racist all you want, but it's not. It is just an unfortunate stigma that black males deal with our entire lives here in the good old USA.

If you think that is racist, well hehehe **** you and the horse you road in on.

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And where exactly was this 'racist clerk?' And what did this 'racist clerk' say to indicate the decision was based on race? And how does a cop tell from behind that you are black. I can never determine the race of a driver from behind a car. Of course you NEVER inadvertently offend anyone. NOT!~

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These people don't realize that racism no longer exists.

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Maenad said:

The SCOTUS justified affirmative action as a means to 'right past wrongs.'

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Well... they are wrong too.

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johnny_rebson said:

These people don't realize that racism no longer exists.

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im not going to say racism doesn't exist.... because it does.

I am going to say that systematic racism doesn't exist... or at least is very localized in certain areas.

Individual racism does and will continue to exist until the extinction of humanity...... That is unfortunate.

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Caine said:

Well... they are wrong too.

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I agree and my black friends have told me they think affirmative action has hurt blacks far more than it ever helped. What would and has helped blacks is for them to help one another, like my friend who chose not to have children, but works and pays the way of her nieces and nephews in college to give them a better chance. Achievement always comes with sacrifice. Whites have been slaves and they have also suffered discriminaiton in this country. Read the history of the Irish in America. But whites have make the sacrifices it took to overcome it.

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Caine said:

I love blackdog... I really do..... but he has provided me with an excellent example.....Did the person who crossed the street say, "Im crossing the street because I don't want that negro near me!"

No? Then how do you know they didn't just realize that they needed to be on the other side of the street soon because their location was on the other side?

Did the hotel clerk say, "Im not giving you negros an upgrade because I don't like you."

No?

How do you know the hotel upgrade had ANYTHING to do with the race of your wife and daughter?

Are you jumping to the conclusion that the person was racist without any evidence whatsoever? Its okay if you are, it seems to be the norm in society. I mean, hell, I should know, as a cop who is accused of racism on a regular basis by complete strangers who have only heard me say, "Good evening, can I see your license and registration please".

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No I am not. I admitted in some cases I am not certain, hell I am only human. In those cases I listed it was because of skin color, period. You also know I am one of those that complain loudly about the thin skinned reactions to racism. So come again?

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Ever think maybe there is a different reason why he isn't friendly to you? I was friendly with everyone on my shift except the much older veteran white cop. It wasn't because I hate veteran old white cops, it was because the way he presented himself as a grumpy, unfriendly, hateful old man I didn't want anything to do with him, until I had to go on a long domestic one night and got to know him better.
This is true. Cops check people out who are walking down the street. Do you realize how many "Suspicious Person" calls we get from people about other people walking down the street early in the morning? What makes you assume the police officer was racist rather than just doing his damned job. Did he say anything specific? Did he say, "Hey nigger, I know you got **** in your bag im going to search it because you are a thief just like all black people" ? No? Okay.

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He was nice and friendly to everyone but me. Everyone else was white. What does this tell you? I was not the only male in the class. I was however the only black male in the class. He went out of his way to stay away from me to the point that other people noticed. What does this tell you?

I was a cop, so don't play that doing his job **** with me. If I was white, I would not have been stopped. If I was white, I would not have been pulled over so many times in the town a Matteson, Illinois I had to threaten a lawsuit. What does this tell you?

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Okay. You realize how many black violators who clearly were violating a law before being pulled over claimed they had no reason to be pulled over?

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I was a cop. Yes I know. I also had to threaten a lawsuit and they stopped. This was in what? 87? Don't act like I am some kind of moron, please.

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Hell white people claim I pulled them over for no reason all the time too. The only difference is that white people don't have the racism excuse. And to be honest..... neither does a black dude at 3am going 60mph in a non-lighted roadway.

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I was not breaking any law, I WAS A COP.

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Oh wait... Of course, I set my radar to black people that night. :roll:

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I WAS NOT SPEEDING, I WAS A COP. :roll:

I love Cain, I really do. This is however a perfect example of how conservatives try so hard to deny racism exists.

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Blackdog said:

No I am not. I admitted in some cases I am not certain, hell I am only human. In those cases I listed it was because of skin color, period. You also know I am one of those that complain loudly about the thin skinned reactions to racism. So come again?



He was nice and friendly to everyone but me. Everyone else was white. What does this tell you? I was not the only male in the class. I was however the only black male in the class. He went out of his way to stay away from me to the point that other people noticed. What does this tell you?
I was a cop, so don't play that doing his job **** with me. If I was white, I would not have been stopped. If I was white, I would not have been pulled over so many times in the town a Matteson, Illinois I had to threaten a lawsuit. What does this tell you?



I was a cop. Yes I know. I also had to threaten a lawsuit and they stopped. This was in what? 87? Don't act like I am some kind of moron, please.



I was not breaking any law, I WAS A COP.



I WAS NOT SPEEDING, I WAS A COP. :roll:

I love Cain, I really do. This is however a perfect example of how whites try so hard to deny racism exists.

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That he considered you to be obnixious, perhaps. There are plenty of black and white people I do not like because they are obnoxious. You are quickly stacking up to be one of them.

And how do you determine race from the rear of a car? Anyone who believes this bull need to go out and try it.

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Maenad said:

And where exactly was this 'racist clerk?' And what did this 'racist clerk' say to indicate the decision was based on race? And how does a cop tell from behind that you are black. I can never determine the race of a driver from behind a car. Of course you NEVER inadvertently offend anyone. NOT!~

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I was pilled over 8 times in a month in broad daylight.

I was a cap, don't play this stupid game with me.

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Blackdog said:

You can say it's racist all you want, but it's not. It is just an unfortunate stigma that black males deal with our entire lives here in the good old USA.

If you think that is racist, well hehehe **** you and the horse you road in on.

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Are you being facetious because all those examples are people thinking of or treating blacks as inferior, which by definition is racism?

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Maenad said:

That he considered you to be obnixious, perhaps. There are plenty of black and white people I do not like because they are obnoxious. You are quickly stacking up to be one of them.

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Yes because everyone acts in person just like they do on the internet. :roll: Or hell it could be I am annoyed by moronic questions like I have to lie or exaggerate about it to prove racism exists. My god.

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And how do you determine race from the rear of a car? Anyone who believes this bull need to go out and try it.

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I don't know if I passed them or they saw me from behind or the front. I just know I never got a ticket and had to threaten a law suite. Comprende?