Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains
1)Well colonialism sort of cut that off before they even had the chance. It also destroyed the great West African nations that were on that path. Not that this is somehow your fault?
2)What? Slavery in the US was abolished in 1865, only 147 years ago. Now lets add in the Jim crow years and the fight for equality or civil rights movement and you are talking within my lifetime or less than 50 years ago. So I can honestly say that statement is utter blind bull****.
3)Then you talk about I see it in everything? WTF? That is an asinine statement. I did however grow up in it, what the hell do you know about it? What did you do read a newspaper? Or did you get an official announcement? I mean yes I do see it, but not in everything. Nice hyperbole.
You walk into an office and you see nothing but white men, a couple of women in all the side offices. Then you look at the cubicles in the middle and it's all Indians, Pakistanis, females and blacks. With black men being the least represented. You tell me what am I supposed to think? When I go to an interview after talking to the person on the phone, and they say "Oh! You didn't sound black over the phone." You tell me? What am I supposed to think.
4)Yes that's true. Which is why I said...
I am comfortable in my own skin and know their is nothing you can't do here in the US if you put your mind to it. Racism is no excuse for failure. - Blackdog
So don't even think about casting me in any such light.
5)You have got to be kidding? We elected a black president! Racism ended officially 4 and a half years ago! You mite want to inform all those people that called the president a nigger and said we need to get rid of the nigger in the white house and tell them racism no longer exists.
6)Yes it is. Has nothing to do with anything I said, but yes I think it was racially motivated. I mean hell there are plenty of racist black people. The whole Zimmerman thing should be proof of that.
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Total unadulterated bull****. No, you are completely wrong. Just because blacks are represented in something it has no correlation to, or on racism at all. I mean seriously it has gotten better, but it has not gone away. You seem to think that all of a sudden because a black man is successful, all racism must be gone. Well I tell you what, I want some of what you are smoking.
Nothing logical about that fallacy leap at all, nothing.
1) there were parts of Africa where people hadn't invented the wheel yet. Yes, there were countries in west africa which grew rich through the slave trade. African kings and warlords were the foremost players in the slave trade, providing the "merchandise" in massive numbers in order to acquire wealth to fund their armies which in turn, would raid more and make more slaves.
2) Yes. Well, European nations which had slavery had abolished it a few decades before that which is why I said, almost 2 centuries. And thanks to the colonial empires of some European nations, slavery was ended almost worldwide. The civil rights movement in the USA was a long time coming, but blacks were represented in Congress and had men who could make laws. It is an equal failure on both the sides of the black community and the white community in the US that only in the 1960's had true equal rights been observed for the black minority. But lets not forget that even before the black civil liberation movement, there were organization that fought for blacks, like the NAACP which was founded decades before MLK Jr started his legacy.
3) think what you will. NAACP, affirmative action... they exist. You have no argument there. In my opinion, there is no reason why companies should cater to racial groups in the first place.
4) More on this later, point 7). You can either accept that racism is mostly BS on institutional level and that all the crybabies on TV complaining about racism in every day of their lives about how racism messes with every single thing in their lives... from photoshoots (article) to how they have to act around white people.
Also, this isn't about you.
5) More on this on point 7), your objections are noted and will be addressed there.
6) yep. so, this is the end of this point.
7) OK. So I had this conversation with others before and therefore, you are either refusing to think about what I wrote, or you are just too stubborn.
Lets see.
Despite the fact that these statements are true
A) There are prominent blacks in all aspects of public life (government, congress, etc)
B) There are prominent blacks in all aspect of intellectual life (thomas sowell, Neil degrasse tyson, the most popular ones)
C) There are prominent blacks in sports (you name it)
D) There are prominent blacks in business (CEO of Mcdonalds and Xerox-> its even a black woman)
E) There are prominent blacks in showbis, the most liberal environemnt in the world.
F) Everywhere in general... you can find prominent blacks
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G)
Despite the fact that there are huge penalties for a person who displays racism (you can lose your job), people still display racist attitudes and take on the stigma which haunts people for ages. An example is even with the most loved of people, Ron Paul, was hounded by statements that were considered racist from over 30 years ago. This stigma never leaves you and there are huge consequences.
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Because they are. You cannot question the reality that these statements are true.
Yet we have evidence of racism everywhere. You pointed the example where those people posted on twitter to get then nigger out of office. Great. This is another example that just goes enforces the theory I presented in the above statement, which is G)
Therefore. If all statements above are true, which they are... then the only logical conclusion is the one i made.
That in fact, racism is a deep part of what it means to be a human. It is embedded so deep in our DNA that like any other natural thing we feel, hunger, cold, etc, it cannot be suppressed no matter how much ideology and public pressure there is. Therefore, attacking racism is in fact attacking the very essence of humanity. It is like blaming people because they get hungry or cold. No different. Otherwise, if it race were a "social construct", it could be destroyed by social means.
It is no different then bootlegging was in the 1920's with alcohol prohibition. A lot of people became bootleggers back then because there was such a demand. The social construct called "alcohol smuggler" was created and to fight it, you had prohibition agents. But once you abolished prohibition, there was no incentive to do smuggling of alcohol and the social construct known as "alcohol smuggler" ended and so did the fight against it.
So, in the past, when racism wasn't penalized, the social construct of "race' was beneficial to people and there was incentive to keep it. But now, because "racist" is such a detrimental stigma on a person, there should be no more incentive to be a racist and hence, the social construct should no longer exist. And racism should no longer exist... if it is a social construct... and add to that the fact that the world we live in, the mindset, the ideology is very strong AGAINST racism. Therefore, since racism still exists, we must accept that it is a force STRONGER than any ideology and it is NOT a social construct. And the only thing that can explain this is that it is part and parcel of human nature. that it is in fact crucial... or a vital part of humanity that it cannot be ignore, repressed or supressed for long periods of time because it will arise despite being penalized for showing racism. Just like you can starve yourself in time, racism can also be held donw... controlled. but because it is such a powerful part of humanity, it will always rise up and take hold.
Therefore, if you agree with the notion that there is still racism, again, despite EVERYTHING being against it, then we must accept that racism is part of us and can NEVER be diminished or destroyed under the current circumstances. And to fight against racism or to condemn racism is actually to condemn the very core humanity. All humanity.
So what will your stance be.
