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'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains why

Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

...and just how in the heck does that prevent them from studying in school worth a crap today?

In the same manner that growing up poor will most likely mean that you'll die poor. Social environment plays a big part in how you turn out regardless of race. Saying 'if you study hard and work hard things will go great' fails to take into account that we don't live in a vacuum where school is the only factor in success.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Explain. Why does Jamie Fox not have the option to be color blind if he wants to be?
Because he is a person of color and automatically, regardless of his actions, feels the effects of race discrimination. When a person grows up white in the US, they get the privilege of not having to deal with the effects of racism. If they choose to, they can go about saying they are "color-blind" because they don't have to deal with racism in the way other people do. People who are not, who are people of color, do not get this privilege.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Good for you. I stated blacks experienced 200+ years of slavery. That statement stands. Wait, are you saying blacks had it better after the US was founded or something?

Oh no, nothing like that. I am saying that under the US, blacks had only been slaves for 80 years. And I also mentioned that the origins of slavery in the american colonies were thanks to a black man.

See, its right there in that wiki link.

"In 1654, John Casor, a black indentured servant, became the first legally recognized slave in Colonial America. He claimed to someone named Robert Parker that his owner, free black colonist Anthony Johnson, had held him past his term. Parker told Johnson that if he did not release Casor, Parker would testify in court to this fact; under local laws, this might cause the forfeiture of some of Johnson's land. Under duress, Johnson freed Casor, who entered into seven years' servitude with Parker. Johnson, who felt he had been cheated, sued Parker to repossess Casor. A Northampton County court ruled for Johnson, declaring that Parker illegally was detaining Casor from his rightful master who legally held him "for the duration of his life"

So slavery came to america from africa. And so did the slaves.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

I'm not talking about people complaining about racism without evidence. My point was that complaints of racism are often brushed under the rug simply because society in general is too afraid to open the can of worms, even though that can of worms is rather large and hindering progress.

The only complaints about racism I see brushed under the rug are the incidents where mobs of blacks are racist against whites...

I do believe it was the Minnesota State Fair.... or Wisconsin.... one of those lake states...... where a mob of blacks decided to go attacking white people en mass. And nobody gave a ****.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

The only complaints about racism I see brushed under the rug are the incidents where mobs of blacks are racist against whites...

I do believe it was the Minnesota State Fair.... or Wisconsin.... one of those lake states...... where a mob of blacks decided to go attacking white people en mass. And nobody gave a ****.
Well then that's a shame, things like that should not be brushed under the rug.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Must be nice to have a built in excuse for failure.

I grew up poor, Im white....... I have no built in excuse.....

A black person in my same exact situation and born in my same generation can still point to a time 3-5 generations prior to his/her own birth.

Yawn, we've played this game before.

1. You claim there is no evidence for racism.
2. I show you dozens of studies saying otherwise.
3. You talk about your personal experience and that time you listened to DMX.

Why do you do this to yourself? Every. Single. Time.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains


Ummmm........First off.

A. I wasn't talking about a specific complaint... I was talking about when assholes claim racism against an INDIVIDUAL with no evidence.
B. Study SUGGESTS? Suggestions are Evidence now? Statistics don't prove racism, they show racial disparities, they don't explain WHY those disparities exist....
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Oh no, nothing like that. I am saying that under the US, blacks had only been slaves for 80 years.

And that is false as American history does not start in 1776 anymore than Irish history started when St. Patrick showed up.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

...and just how in the heck does that prevent them from studying in school worth a crap today?

Many do . . . I never said they didn't . . . I don't group all black people together. I just made mention of the fact that's all. You were comparing I was kind of trying to suggest the comparison isn't applicable in MY eyes. You have a different paradigm than I do that's all.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

So then what do we do about it?

Well it depends on which side of the story you accept.

But do come up with longer, more comprehensive answers and make a detailed argument about your opinion.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

And that is false as American history does not start in 1776 anymore than Irish history started when St. Patrick showed up.

That is why I am talking about the US government, not the history books.

The US government. LAWS that US citizens and people who lived in those territories had to LIVE BY since the inception of the US government, which was in 1776.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Ummmm........First off.

A. I wasn't talking about a specific complaint... I was talking about when assholes claim racism against an INDIVIDUAL with no evidence.

Lolz, so you're saying it does exist but only when the person claiming it isn't in your face about it.

B. Study SUGGESTS? Suggestions are Evidence now? Statistics don't prove racism, they show racial disparities, they don't explain WHY those disparities exist....

Here is a post card of The Nile:

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Enjoy.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Lolz, so you're saying it does exist but only when the person claiming it isn't in your face about it.



Here is a post card of The Nile:

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Enjoy.

It not just a river you know.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

That is why I am talking about the US government, not the history books.

The US government. LAWS that US citizens had to LIVE BY since the inception of the US government, which was in 1776.

Then I guess you're nothing more than a revisionist who picks and chooses which evidence to look at. However, do tell, how does 80 years of slavery followed by another 100 of government imposed discrimination make the clear generational effects of racism any less. I'd love to hear the answer.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Nope, there are still generational effects for Japanese Americans. The scale is just different. Not all marginalization is the same with the same consequences. Racism is different from sexism which is different from homophobia and so on.

And are you just going to excuse it with a "Not all marginalization is the same" or are you going to ask the important question.


Why is it different? What Makes it different? WHY is it not the same?
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Then I guess you're nothing more than a revisionist who picks and chooses which evidence to look at. However, do tell, how does 80 years of slavery followed by another 100 of government imposed discrimination make the clear generational effects of racism any less. I'd love to hear the answer.

I am no revisionist. I am just a person who knows the property of terms. Yes, slavery in the american colonies started in 1650's when a black man won a court case for him owning another black man. He won it, and then slavery became a thing.

As for the rest of what you said. I already gave my replies. This is my comment on the issue. I made it before, and I will make it again.
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There are black congressmen(and even the president). There are black CEOs (i.e. the CEO of Mcdonalds is a black man). There are black movie stars and millionaires and billionaires and everything. So do tell me how come there is still racism?

You know what is racist? Eric Holder refusing to put the black panther party on trial because it would denigrate "his people". That is real racism right there.

You know what else is racist? The KKK in the 1930's.
You know what else is racist? The fact that in California, mexicans and blacks are the most violent crime victims of each other. That means that blacks get killed mostly by mexicans in violent crimes and viceversa.

You know what else is racist? Claiming that racism is influencing every aspect of your life and you encounter it keeping you down every day despite living in showbis, the most liberal environment in the ENTIRE world. The ENTIRE world.

With this in mind, I would like to make the following proposition.

Given the following evidence.

A) There are prominent blacks in all aspects of public life (government, congress, etc)
B) There are prominent blacks in all aspect of intellectual life (thomas sowell, Neil degrasse tyson, the most popular ones)
C) There are prominent blacks in sports (you name it)
D) There are prominent blacks in business (CEO of Mcdonalds and Xerox-> its even a black woman)
E) There are prominent blacks in showbis, the most liberal environemnt in the world.
F) Everywhere in general... you can find prominent blacks

And yet, despite all these things being TRUE, there is still racism, and racism is in fact a MAJOR problem in the world, even in the MOST LIBERAL PLACE in the world, then the only logical conclusion to derive from this is the following: That racism is part and parcel of human nature. In fact, it is impossible to be human without being a racist, and this is equally valid for all races. In fact, it is inhumane to not be a racist because despite even the most equalitarian ideologies being shoved down people's throats in all aspects of life, racism still prevails even in the most heavily influenced areas of those ideologies. Therefore, racism is above everything in power and can NEVER be removed from humanity and therefore it will always be there as a staple, as the essence of what it means to be a human.
Again, this is only if all above are TRUE, which they are.

If you do not want the above theorem to be valid, then we just have to agree that Jamie Foxxx, like many others, are just stupid racists.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

And are you just going to excuse it with a "Not all marginalization is the same" or are you going to ask the important question.

Why is it different? What Makes it different? WHY is it not the same?

It's different because the factors leading up to it are different.

The factors behind it.

Because the factors aren't the same.

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Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Because he is a person of color and automatically, regardless of his actions, feels the effects of race discrimination.
Automatically? How so?

I feel that this is a cop out.... One of those "instant built in excuses" that we see when it comes to the race discussion in America that creates a WALL to progress.

When a person grows up white in the US, they get the privilege of not having to deal with the effects of racism. If they choose to, they can go about saying they are "color-blind" because they don't have to deal with racism in the way other people do. People who are not, who are people of color, do not get this privilege.
Any white person who has had to spend 10 minutes as the only white person in a group of 6 people also deals with racism......
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Well it depends on which side of the story you accept.

But do come up with longer, more comprehensive answers and make a detailed argument about your opinion.
From what I understand, your argument basically says this, step-by-step:

1. prominent black people are in prominent positions, therefore racism no longer exists
2. but racism obviously still exists, that is a fact
3. therefore the only conclusion is that humans are inherently racist

I'm not coming up with a long, drawn out argument because, number one, I find this argument hilarious, and number two, it's not as simple and black-and-white as saying "racism is either entirely non-existent, or it is inherent in our being".

So, my question is, what do we do to stop that racism, considering your argument about racism being innate?
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

LOL. Well we have a lot of blacks in this country who immigrated from Africa post civil war. They use the 'it's my skin color' cop out just like the rest.

I find it interesting that Asians and Hispanics do not. They work their brown little asses off.

Nigerians are actually a pretty successful minority in the states. Though I think it would be misplaced to assume that this means 'racism" doesn't exist. being that there are going to be various "legacies" from particular historical practices, be it cultural, economic, or educational.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Yawn, we've played this game before.

1. You claim there is no evidence for racism.
2. I show you dozens of studies saying otherwise.
3. You talk about your personal experience and that time you listened to DMX.

Why do you do this to yourself? Every. Single. Time.

I don't recall claiming I listed to DMX anywhere in this thread....

So... WTF are you talking about?

Oh, thats right, your just trolling again.

And... Im playing catch up so Im still a little bit behind, those studies were discussed 11 minutes ago.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Exactly, it would be even worse if I experienced sexism.


Now see, that's a generalization, and racist.

how can "some blacks" be a generalization about a race?
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

And are you just going to excuse it with a "Not all marginalization is the same" or are you going to ask the important question.


Why is it different? What Makes it different? WHY is it not the same?

It was bad . . . seriously it was bad . . . so bad Reagan paid reparations. But . . . we did not take their cultural identity away from them. We did not buy and sell them. We did not break up their families. We did not try to keep them away from education . . . . We did not whip, mutilate, or maim them. That's just a few things.
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

I don't recall claiming I listed to DMX anywhere in this thread....

I'm simply stating your past behavior in these debates. You have nothing other than denial and weak arguments of personal experience as if they mean anything compared to empirical evidence. :shrug:
 
Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

Automatically? How so?

I feel that this is a cop out.... One of those "instant built in excuses" that we see when it comes to the race discussion in America that creates a WALL to progress.
Because our system is unfortunately built in such a way that white people already start out a couple of steps ahead, and it's easier for them to walk up the stairs, but harder for others to do so. It's not a cop out, it's the inconvenient truth of the matter.

Any white person who has had to spend 10 minutes as the only white person in a group of 6 people also deals with racism......
Oh boy, 10 minutes of racism, what a displeasure for them.

What happens when that white person steps outside of that group? Do they continue to experience it? Does it follow them? I'm someone who believes you should be proud of who you are, but at the same time people of color carry a certain burden that white people don't have to. If you feel discriminated among a group of people of color for 10 minutes, imagine having to deal with that for the rest of your life.
 
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