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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin
    How are any of those injustices? Perhaps I just don't accept how you are using the word
    Now, this is a good point. My calling these things injustices depends on how we define "justice." The notorious problem with defining "justice," as with such words as "good," "beauty," or "truth," is that it cannot be done without leaving an open question. So, the best we can do is point to it.

    I find myself persuaded that John Rawles has a fairly good method for figuring how to point to correct instantiations of justice--that is, at societies which embody and manifest just principles, and those that do not. The basic idea is this: everyone should imagine that they themselves have no idea what their standing will be in society. They do not know their medical condition, the socioeconomic class into which they will be born, which talents they may or may not possess, and so on. The society which those people agree to live in will be entirely just.

    I also find myself persuaded that this means there is a real social contract. Consider: when a criminal breaks a law, we all think (usually) that he or she has violated something. But they (and we) almost certainly had nothing to do with the law being put into place. What, exactly, then, have they violated? The law, obviously, but from what does the law draw power?

    So, with these in mind, I'll address your examples:

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    but it would seem to me people have a right to hire who they want
    Well, perhaps, but within limits. The economy is so serious because it's how we survive. All the resources are now owned. In such a situation, when one group is unable to find work, that's unjust. Employers are part of the social contract; they have an obligation to hire people and give them reasonable wages. This is the trade off for the privileges of being the boss.

    Against those who argue against this sort of position, I would point out that there is a difference between the goal and the means. The goal is to have a society with maximized, fair employment, undisrupted production of goods, where people can enjoy the fruits of their labor. The laws we have enacted that regulate or shape the economy are done so on principles which address the means--free market principles are adopted because they are supposed to ensure that we actually instantiate the ideal.

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    access to education is largely up to the people involved and where they live or decide to place their children
    This ignores the fact that where one lives is shaped by income. A person living in, say the lower 9th ward in New Orleans probably has little prospect for moving to the Garden District, where the schools are much better. And without access to good education, their children have little prospect for making such a move themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin
    incarceration rates have to do with crime rates
    Ideally, the correlation should be 1:1, but it's not. Black people have higher conviction rates than white people out of total cases tried, which says something pretty important, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin
    and healthcare access mostly deals with the people in play and nothing to do with race.
    I don't understand. People 'in play'? There seems to be plenty of evidence that race affects access to health care.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon
    It takes more backbone to take ownership of your own failings than to fabricate a lie about racial considerations.
    Only someone who was convinced beforehand that the line I've been taking is a lie would write something like that. I think it takes backbone to first recognize the truth, and do something about it when it's not right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon
    Actually, the result of a disregard for education. Blacks are more likely to drop out of high school and less likely to pursue a higher education and will therefore earn less.
    I've posted links earlier in this thread to studies which demonstrate pretty convincingly that people who are in a position to hire will disproportionately make negative judgements about black candidates and prefer white candidates, even when both have exactly the same resume.

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon
    Really? Where? Affirmative Action solved that problem and you're entitled to the education you earn.
    Pretty much everywhere. Affirmative action solved no such problem; inner city schools are terrible, and do not have the funds the hire good teachers, with the result that even the students who graduate from them don't have the necessary foundation to even attend a regional college, much less an institution in the top three tiers or so. How would affirmative action "solve" such a problem?

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    Because they commit more crimes.
    Also untrue. Black people have much higher conviction rates than white people. So it cannot be merely that they commit more crimes.

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    There is no racially motivated healthcare inequality. All of these things boil down to education.
    Not really--it comes down to money, which has partially to do with education. But in any event, again, I've posted links in this thread which show your assertion to be false.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman
    And they should because why, have they been here as long?
    Nearly as long. But by that logic, American Indians ought to be running the show.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Nearly as long. But by that logic, American Indians ought to be running the show.
    and yet, unlike blacks...you don't see us bitching and crying and blaming "whitey" for all our problems. I wonder why that is
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63
    and yet, unlike blacks...you don't see us bitching and crying and blaming "whitey" for all our problems. I wonder why that is
    Actually, I see that about as often between Native American and African American groups, especially if you account for the relative proportion each group makes up of our overall population.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    Actually, I see that about as often between Native American and African American groups, especially if you account for the relative proportion each group makes up of our overall population.
    odd, I am half native american and I have never heard any of my relatives blame whitey for their problems
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and yet, unlike blacks...you don't see us bitching and crying and blaming "whitey" for all our problems. I wonder why that is
    Because they gave native Americans land, you get to set your own rules and lets not go into casino's and high interest loans. Native Americans were also not taken from there continent of origin after being sold into slavery by there own. They did not have to deal with Jim crow, slavery or the stigma of being a black male.

    Native Americans did not have it easy, but there is no comparison.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    odd, I am half native american and I have never heard any of my relatives blame whitey for their problems
    Then you don't want to see it is all I can figure.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    odd, I am half native american and I have never heard any of my relatives blame whitey for their problems
    Which of your parents is 100% native American?
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    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Meh, when was the last time you saw a movie with a black leading man? Not a comedy or a popcorn action flick starring will smith. A serious movie with a chance to win awards, that also doesn't revolve it's plot around the blackness of the character?

    Nothing racist in what he said.
    I saw "Flight" last week.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    I saw "Flight" last week.
    The Denzel is the exception to all rules. He is like the black Chuck Norris, lol.
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