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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    My grandmother died recently and I went to a service held by her sisters in the deep country. She was a liberal woman who moved out of that area, but many people, as you all know, don't care to. In her sister's house are two pictures on either side of the mantle of their grandfather and great uncle (or some ****) - two civil war soldiers for the Confederacy - and in the middle a giant rebel flag. You guys act like it was so long ago, but I actually know people who are still alive who knew and met family members that fought in that war. And then, when you compound Jim Crow laws, and the fact that it didn't really start coming to an end until the 60s and 70s - one generation away for many of (or part of our generation as well), it's ridiculous and embarrassing that people think that there would not be extreme sensitivity.

    20s and early 30 year old blacks have no excuse to be sensitive about those issues.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So... A black baby born into this world is already born resentful towards whites because of something that has happened in history that has not affected them? Even though they don't know the difference between races yet?

    Quit jabbering about "Oh Woes R DUH EFFEKZ UF DUH HIZTORY" and make SENSE! What effects of history? At what point in a black person's life is it that they obtain awareness of their inherent resentment towards white people, which is an excusable trait?


    You are just repeating the same thing without making any effort to explain why history should matter to the 80s and 90s born black people who have had full and equal opportunity in the country since their birth. You just keep repeating.... "Oh Woez is duh history dat be holdin' da black menzzes down"



    And again, we come full circle enough for me to ask... What reason does a 18 year old black male have to resent white people that he should be excused for his resentment?



    Socioeconomic status is what matters. An upper class black kid is going to have the same opportunities as an upper class white kid. Same goes for the poor whites and blacks.

    BTW: Your links suck... half of them don't work, the others talk about "disease rates are higher for afric.." OF ****ING COURSE THEY ARE... WHITE PEOPLE CAN'T GET SICKLE CELL. Are blacks excused for being resentful towards us for ****ing simple god damned genetics too?
    Sorry, I call bull****. "Social capital" is something an INDIVIDUAL builds. You show up to a job interview dressed well, articulate, honest, and qualified for the job, and it doesn't matter if you are black or white. Show up with a ****ty "ghetto" attitude and you'll get turned away, white or black..... with a few areas being an exception to this.

    BTW: There you go with that "Dat Dere Hizzztory I dun mentioned before in such a veerrry vague manner"


    So I, who had nothing to do with slavery or discrimination........ I am supposed to ACCEPT having people of another race hateful and resentful and distrustful towards me for some **** I didn't do to them, who didn't experience it.... and you expect the racial "gap" to be bridged? GTFO. Until blacks can grow up and move on, it ain't going to happen. Im not kissing someone's ass because of some **** I didn't do, and I am sick of walking on eggshells. So call me a racist... cause I didn't have **** to do with it.


    And yet that is an alternate reality to the one being faced by blacks born in the current generation of mid 20s and early 30 year olds.......... Nobody is paying **** back. Last time I checked, my black friends don't have a ****ing check they have to send off to the "Cracker Slave Massa" that sets them back every month. So your analogy can suck a nut.



    You see.... Apparently you think you are talking to just another privileged northern hand flopping white dude whose parents had plenty of "opportunity" to pass on to them.

    No, I grew up moving from one "trailer" to the next......When I got out of high school I joined the Army..... something any black guy or gal could, and many did. When I left the military after serving my time, I joined a police department, where many black guys and gals could, and did, join as well.

    So you see..... Claiming I had some kind of special leg up in life because I am white is just ****ing stupid. Any poor black person who stayed out of trouble (that is THEIR responsibility to do, regardless of where they life) and stayed in school (THEIR RESPONSIBILITY) could have done the same thing.

    If someone lacked the ability to make good decisions, they can't blame that **** on their race.... because I know plenty of broke ass crackers in North Carolina who made ****ty decisions too.
    I think that discriminateing on race wether black or white is wrong. Afirmative action is discriminateing on the basis of race because it is favoring one race over another which is wrong. Also I think it just makes any racism keep going. Martin Luther King said to judge people on their character not race.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by ashurbanipal View Post
    African Americans just lack the social capital that white Americans have, and we can find good reasons why. Those reasons started in the history I've mentioned, and they continue to have an effect on the present.
    Now lets examine why that is. The most prominent leaders in the black community LOVE stirring the pot. Their mantra is that you didn't get that job, you are poor, or you were arrested not because you didn't graduate from high school, take responsibility for your life, or commit a crime but because ol' racist whitey is at it again. And then there's a distorted earful of life for blacks 200 years ago and calls for a riot. We don't hear many leaders in the black community mention that only 1% of whites were actually slave holders, that the largest slave holder in Louissianna was actually a black woman, or that the first self-made millionairess was a black woman. Instead, its a bunch of bull saying that you aren't responsible for the state of your life and you'll never get a fair shot because everyone is racist and those successful black men and women are race traitors.

    The disadvantages experienced by the black community in modern society are of their own making not the result of anything the white man has done to them. Black Americans have been offered every advantage we can provide and its not our fault that many choose to sell crack on street corners instead of graduating from high school and/or going to college. Is that racist? No, its the reality of the world we live in. A world in which success is demonized by the leaders of the black community and everything else is someone else's fault.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Now lets examine why that is. The most prominent leaders in the black community LOVE stirring the pot. Their mantra is that you didn't get that job, you are poor, or you were arrested not because you didn't graduate from high school, take responsibility for your life, or commit a crime but because ol' racist whitey is at it again. And then there's a distorted earful of life for blacks 200 years ago and calls for a riot. We don't hear many leaders in the black community mention that only 4% of whites were actually slave holders, that the largest slave holder in Louissianna was actually a black woman, or that the first self-made millionairess was a black woman. Instead, its a bunch of bull saying that you aren't responsible for the state of your life and you'll never get a fair shot because everyone is racist and those successful black men and women are race traitors.

    The disadvantages experienced by the black community in modern society are of their own making not the result of anything the white man has done to them. Black Americans have been offered every advantage we can provide and its not our fault that many choose to sell crack on street corners instead of graduating from high school and/or going to college. Is that racist? No, its the reality of the world we live in. A world in which success is demonized by the leaders of the black community and everything else is someone else's fault.
    It was actually 4-5% of whites in the south in the early XIXth century (1810-1820). You may be saying its 1% overall of the entire white population, but I don't think that is true either. I go with the 4-5% whites in the slave states because it makes sense when discussing these issues and it is verrifiable. Also, 27% of the freed blacks had slaves in the south, some of which were, as you correctly pointed out, large slave owners. But it is also true that if you rank a top 100 of the largest slave owners, most of the list would be populated with whites.

    This isn't a criticism, more like a friendly ammendment to your post.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    20s and early 30 year old blacks have no excuse to be sensitive about those issues.
    First of all, Jamie Foxx is neither. Second, why? If I have family members alive who knew people who fought in the civil war, then many can probably do the same with slaves. Then when you consider that many 20-30 year olds' parents were either around or part of the abuse and violence during the civil rights era... I'd say that's a downright ignorant statement. If your parents grew up watching white people riot and inciting violence because your people want their rights, how do you think your parents would raise you? Or is the nurture aspect all bull****?
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    If your parents grew up watching white people riot and inciting violence because your people want their rights, how do you think your parents would raise you? Or is the nurture aspect all bull****?
    Instead we get to watch (with our own eyes) blacks riot, loot, and incite violence because some thug with 15 outstanding warrants was shot by the police for resisting arrest, running into a dark alley, and reaching into his pants. So, what perceptions and attitudes do you think are justifiable for whites in response to that? Should we all walk around with a big fat chip on our shoulder and blame the blacks for our failures in life? Or is this just a one-way street?

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Instead we get to watch (with our own eyes) blacks riot, loot, and incite violence because some thug with 15 outstanding warrants was shot by the police for resisting arrest, running into a dark alley, and reaching into his pants. So, what perceptions and attitudes do you think are justifiable for whites in response to that? Should we all walk around with a big fat chip on our shoulder and blame the blacks for our failures in life? Or is this just a one-way street?
    You trying to say only black people do that these days? It's people like you that really keep this issue alive. The less people like you talk, the better this country will fair.

    You want to paint it as blame for failures, instead of a deep wound that is still healing. An entire class doesn't just climb out of the depths it was thrown into in 40 years.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You trying to say only black people do that these days?
    I'm not aware of any other group which has held an American city hostage to rioting, arson, looting, and violence in recent memory. Are you? I didn't see white people dragging innocent blacks out of their cars and beating them during the Cincinnati riots. Neither did I see mobs of white people throwing molotov cocktails at City Hall, storming city council meetings, looting downtown, burning down a 150 year old market, attempting to raid an arsenal, or threatening to violently invade a high school prom. I saw the opposite and, according to your logic, I'd be justified in teaching white children that black people are out to get them. Its people like YOU who keep this issue alive; by insisting that blacks should believe themselves to be victims of imagined racism and are justified in refusing to take responsibility for their own future or held accountable for their own actions or inaction.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    First of all, Jamie Foxx is neither. Second, why? If I have family members alive who knew people who fought in the civil war, then many can probably do the same with slaves. Then when you consider that many 20-30 year olds' parents were either around or part of the abuse and violence during the civil rights era... I'd say that's a downright ignorant statement. If your parents grew up watching white people riot and inciting violence because your people want their rights, how do you think your parents would raise you? Or is the nurture aspect all bull****?
    So its evil ole whitey's fault that parents of current 20-30 year olds failed them by raising them to hate?

    Is it acceptable to do this when you are black, but when ignorant southern crackers raise their kids to hate negros it on par with child abuse?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You trying to say only black people do that these days? It's people like you that really keep this issue alive. The less people like you talk, the better this country will fair.

    You want to paint it as blame for failures, instead of a deep wound that is still healing. An entire class doesn't just climb out of the depths it was thrown into in 40 years.
    It does if you stop excusing bad behavior on account of it.

    That is all I am asking, treat blacks like you would treat any white person when it comes to their opinion on people of another race. If they are intolerant, treat them like you would an intolerant white person.

    Think of it as an employee who is malingering or slacking or taking advantage of your niceness to get away with not doing some work. If you keep saying, Okay its okay... I understand it takes time to recover from your grandma you met once dying, etc, etc.... For some people, they will take advantage of an excuse as long as they possibly can. I've seen it every where I've gone.

    Its no different. Ideas on race relations have changed drastically in white households and continues to change as more adults become parents and raise their children to love all. The same can happen in black families as long as people drop the attitude.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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