'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains why

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Aunt Spiker said:

I'm not being a callous, vile bitch as if it's all their fault and meanwhile all us white people are perfect - my nose can't possibly point that high.

Honestly - you think all white people figured out a high noble life and all the blackies live in the ghetto? Because that's what you seem to be thinking . . . seeing as how they're the only ones who are 'insufficient' in your eyes.

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It's up to them..they may want to kill each other in drug wars/gangs....not many quantum physicists amongst them..is there??

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Maenad said:

I have worked with many blacks over the years. Several of them I call my friends. And those are the ones I can invite to my home without them coming in and saying things like 'I'm in the club now' or 'It sure is white in here.' You cannot save people from their own bad behaviors. I feel no obligation to entertain people who won't behave and who have no manners.

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Yes - this is true.

But it's not like only some black people have made those exactly same stupid choices in life. You know - a lot of people have regardless of race or upbringing; drugs, kids too soon, hanging with the wrong people, landing in jail after getting drunk or high, being a ****ty parent or a drop out student.

Race doesn't clamp people to these choices that are the determining factor per the quality or success of ones life.

People (some people) seem to think it is.

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Superfly said:

Because you aren't a victim. You aren't a slave, and have no ties to slavery. How can you be a victim? I'm sorry if things have happened to you in your life, as a result of being a black person, but why do you need to let it affect who you are, or how you live your life? I have had a ****-load of bad things happen to me, but I'm not going to sit around, saying, "Oh woe is me. I've had it tough because of blah blah blah." I pull up my big-girl panties and keep on going. Do I like it? Heck no. Don't really know what can be done about it, though. It's just life, and it sucks, and then you die. I've had so many bad things happen to me that now when something happens, I just compartmentalize it and keep going.

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I'm not black and I'm not sitting and steeping myself in woe, and I definitely agree that pulling up your pants and moving on with life is best. However, that doesn't happen when other people tell you to get over your feelings, that has to come from the understanding of the individual.

I don't understand Jamie Foxx as an individual, because I'm not him, and I don't know him, so I don't define what he is. He's obviously over-sensitive to things like racism, but saying "OMG ALL HE THINKS ABOUT IS RACE" and sort of shaming him into getting over his feeling is counterproductive.

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Superfly said:

Sorry, but you are not a victim. This post screams of people being victimized by the color of their skin. Come on. While I do understand that racism still happens, it's time to stop feeling like you are being victimized. Get down off the cross. I'm sure somebody else needs the wood.

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Oh Christ, stop with the platitudes. They aren't useful when it comes to discussing people's experiences with race and racism in a highly racialized society. In fact, they're almost condescending. What Cilogy said was correct - when you have dark skin in this society, you automatically become a victim of racism - in the LITERAL SENSE OF THE WORD. That doesn't mean that people become victims in the sense that they are pathetic people with no control over their lives. It just means that they are on the receiving end of a harmful reality.

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Superfly said:

What the hell is wrong with you? Why can't you have a civil discussion about this without being nasty??

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I am not nasty..

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samsmart said:

I don't think that he's racist. Rather, I think that he is hypersensitive to how others see him in regards to race.

Remember, he's an actor, and while individual actors, directors, and producers may be racially enlightened, Hollywood as a whole still has problems in regards to race.

Especially when minority actors can get only certain kinds of roles, not necessarily because of the prejudices of Hollywood but rather the prejudices Hollywood thinks the rest of the country still has.

So no, I don't think he's racist at all.

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Suuuure, that's it. It's not that he is a racist... he's just sensitive.

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wolfie said:

It's up to them..they may want to kill each other in drug wars/gangs....not many quantum physicists amongst them..is there??

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I lived in a town with like 98% white people - little violent crime is reported - but the small town was known for mass production of meth. Every few months there's either a fire, explosion - or a bust.

I lived in the city for many years - however pale my white ass is - I managed to find myself in some serious trouble - often.

If someone wants to be a **** they'll be a **** :shrug: It's not defined by race . . . at all. You're being silly just by suggesting it - you know it's true.

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Every time I start feeling good about being white I come here and find out how bad I got. I never realized how much power black America wields over my head until DP.

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Aunt Spiker said:

Can't say I really blame him - our nation decided for CENTURIES that for black people and other minorities EVERYTHING WOULD BE ALL ABOUT THEIR RACE. The concept that IT'S NOT is quite new.

It just means we still have a heck of a long ****ing way to go - honestly.

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And we still do that with programs like Affirmative Action....

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DiavoTheMiavo said:

Until we actually reach an era where color doesn't matter . . . I am not sure being color blind is the way to go . . . unless of course acknowledging the difference is uncomfortable. Im not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

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I agree with everything you said, but for some reason, DP or Chrome is not letting me like your post. In any case, two of the problems with color blindness are that it doesn't actually exist and it prevents people from seeing and fixing the problems in our society that stem from race. Being "color blind" is something that only people with the privilege of being within the dominant racial/ethnic group of society can be. It's difficult to be "color blind" when you're black or Asian or Hispanic and constantly confronted with institutional discrimination and stereotypical portrayals of your group constantly. It's a lot easier to be "color blind" when you're a white guy who isn't being constantly defined by their race. "Color blindness" is a luxury.

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ThePlayDrive said:

Oh Christ, stop with the platitudes. They aren't useful when it comes to discussing people's experiences with race and racism in a highly racialized society. In fact, they're almost condescending. What Cilogy said was correct - when you have dark skin in this society, you automatically become a victim of racism - in the LITERAL SENSE OF THE WORD. That doesn't mean that people become victims in the sense that they are pathetic people with no control over their lives. It just means that they are on the receiving end of a harmful reality.

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So because things are hard for them, they should complain about it? Just give up? Do you see Melissa McCarthy (she's the large white girl in Bridesmaids) complaining about how tough it is for an overweight, white woman to make it in Hollywood? No, she just did it. What about Steve Buscemi complaining about how hard it is for ugly people to make it in Hollywood? They both have issues that keep them from having perfect lives. They still succeeded, and millions of black people all over the world do this, every day. Doctors, lawyers, quantum physicists, everything. They don't let race stand in the way of their lives. They know they are black, they know that there are always going to be people like Wolfie who think they are second class because of their skin color, but they just move on and get on with their lives, and stop worrying about it. Seems like Jamie Foxx needs to take a lesson from them.

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Rainman05 said:

Suuuure, that's it. It's not that he is a racist... he's just sensitive.

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In which part of his quote did he say or imply that one race is superior to another?

He didn't.

Next.

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Aunt Spiker said:

Well that most certainly is a logical and balanced response.

Seeing as how THEY WERE BORN THE **** HERE IN THIS ****HOLE COUNTRY.

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So "African-American" isn't the proper term then? I thought you would agree.

But yet people are so unable to see it from their view? . . . Tragic, really - how we defile a people and then just expect them to get over it like it was nothing.

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I can't speak for what you personally have done... But *I* have defiled NO "PEOPLE". I do, however, expect blacks of my generation to get the **** over it because it WAS nothing that they experienced.

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ThePlayDrive said:

I agree with everything you said, but for some reason, DP or Chrome is not letting me like your post. In any case, two of the problems with color blindness are that it doesn't actually exist and it prevents people from seeing and fixing the problems in our society that stem from race. Being "color blind" is something that only people with the privilege of being within the dominant racial/ethnic group of society can be. It's difficult to be "color blind" when you're black or Asian or Hispanic and constantly confronted with institutional discrimination and stereotypical portrayals of your group constantly. It's a lot easier to be "color blind" when you're a white guy who isn't being constantly defined by their race. "Color blindness" is a luxury.

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You said it better than I.

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Superfly said:

So because things are hard for them, they should complain about it? Just give up? Do you see Melissa McCarthy (she's the large white girl in Bridesmaids) complaining about how tough it is for an overweight, white woman to make it in Hollywood? No, she just did it. What about Steve Buscemi complaining about how hard it is for ugly people to make it in Hollywood? They both have issues that keep them from having perfect lives. They still succeeded, and millions of black people all over the world do this, every day. Doctors, lawyers, quantum physicists, everything. They don't let race stand in the way of their lives. They know they are black, they know that there are always going to be people like Wolfie who think they are second class because of their skin color, but they just move on and get on with their lives, and stop worrying about it. Seems like Jamie Foxx needs to take a lesson from them.

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Did you even read what I said? I said nothing even close to what you're attributing to me.

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Aunt Spiker said:

I lived in a town with like 98% white people - little violent crime is reported - but the small town was known for mass production of meth. Every few months there's either a fire, explosion - or a bust.

I lived in the city for many years - however pale my white ass is - I managed to find myself in some serious trouble - often.

If someone wants to be a **** they'll be a **** :shrug: It's not defined by race . . . at all. You're being silly just by suggesting it - you know it's true.

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Must be nice..I live in a town in the North of England..where our black boys are taking notice of stupid American Gangsta films...every week..at least 2 are taken back home in a body bag..because they have ''Dissed'' a Silverback..who the fexx are these people and why don't they go home..PS we have great benefits here..

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Caine said:

But *I* have defiled NO "PEOPLE". I do, however, expect blacks of my generation to get the **** over it because it WAS nothing that they experienced.

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Equal since 1964 . . . see . . . it says so right in the law. My Dad was in the Korean War . . . I wasn't, but my family is still experiencing issues secondary to that war.

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Aunt Spiker said:

We open armed?

We enslaved them - and made it an American Past-time to devise a multitude of ways in which to treat them different, inferior, and low class.

But of course - come along a few rights movements and naturally they should be able to crawl out of the pit we dug for them all for the sake of a single thread for a rope.

How - on earth - does that make any sense? It's ignorance to say the least . . . it's called 'now wanting to admit we ****ed it all up from the beginning' - by pushing the blame of the crime OFF ON THE VICTIM.

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I notice you are continually taking ownership.... "we".......

A. "WE" didn't do ****.
B. Few of those alive, specifically the people who are complaining the loudest, are actual victims of anything except history and trying to hang out to victim status in a world that treats them equally.

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wolfie said:

Must be nice..I live in a town in the North of England..where our black boys are taking notice of stupid American Gangsta films...every week..at least 2 are taken back home in a body bag..because they have ''Dissed'' a Silverback..who the fexx are these people and why don't they go home..PS we have great benefits here..

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:roll: Oh sure . . . the niggers in the ghetto 70 years ago saw a gangsta film and there it went :roll:

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DiavoTheMiavo said:

Equal since 1964 . . . see . . . it says so right in the law. My Dad was in the Korean War . . . I wasn't, but my family is still experiencing issues secondary to that war.

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My generation is in their mid/late 20s dude....

Tell me blacks in their mid to late 20s experienced government instituted systematic racism.

That means they were 80s kids..... Affirmative Action started in the late 80s and early 90s.......

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Caine said:

I can't speak for what you personally have done... But *I* have defiled NO "PEOPLE". I do, however, expect blacks of my generation to get the **** over it because it WAS nothing that they experienced.

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That would be ideal if maybe racism didn't exist anymore, but one of the biggest problems today is that our society superficially believes racism and racial discrimination are officially over, so that when someone does come forth with legitimate observations about racism or legitimate complaints about discrimination, they're brushed off and told to "get over it".

Not only does it ignore the problem, it just make the problem worse.

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Caine said:

So "African-American" isn't the proper term then? I thought you would agree.

I can't speak for what you personally have done... But *I* have defiled NO "PEOPLE". I do, however, expect blacks of my generation to get the **** over it because it WAS nothing that they experienced.

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LOL at a white guy "expecting" non-white people to get over "it" because they aren't doing so quickly enough for him. Please stop talking.

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This thread is like the many others on DP and nothing changes.

Some people keep on holding that torch that says that blacks are underpriviledged and the victims of racism, especially from white males and all those fake, bull**** stereotypes. The white man holding down the black man where as that just isn't true.

There are black congressmen(and even the president). There are black CEOs (i.e. the CEO of Mcdonalds is a black man). There are black movie stars and millionaires and billionaires and everything. So do tell me how come there is still racism?

You know what is racist? Eric Holder refusing to put the black panther party on trial because it would denigrate "his people". That is real racism right there.

You know what else is racist? The KKK in the 1930's.
You know what else is racist? The fact that in California, mexicans and blacks are the most violent crime victims of each other. That means that blacks get killed mostly by mexicans in violent crimes and viceversa.

You know what else is racist? Claiming that racism is influencing every aspect of your life and you encounter it keeping you down every day despite living in showbis, the most liberal environment in the ENTIRE world. The ENTIRE world.

With this in mind, I would like to make the following proposition.

Given the following evidence.

A) There are prominent blacks in all aspects of public life (government, congress, etc)
B) There are prominent blacks in all aspect of intellectual life (thomas sowell, Neil degrasse tyson, the most popular ones)
C) There are prominent blacks in sports (you name it)
D) There are prominent blacks in business (CEO of Mcdonalds and Xerox-> its even a black woman)
E) There are prominent blacks in showbis, the most liberal environemnt in the world.
F) Everywhere in general... you can find prominent blacks

And yet, despite all these things being TRUE, there is still racism, and racism is in fact a MAJOR problem in the world, even in the MOST LIBERAL PLACE in the world, then the only logical conclusion to derive from this is the following: That racism is part and parcel of human nature. In fact, it is impossible to be human without being a racist, and this is equally valid for all races. In fact, it is inhumane to not be a racist because despite even the most equalitarian ideologies being shoved down people's throats in all aspects of life, racism still prevails even in the most heavily influenced areas of those ideologies. Therefore, racism is above everything in power and can NEVER be removed from humanity and therefore it will always be there as a staple, as the essence of what it means to be a human.
Again, this is only if all above are TRUE, which they are.

If you do not want the above theorem to be valid, then we just have to agree that Jamie Foxxx, like many others, are just stupid racists.

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Cilogy said:

I see what you're saying, but considering what I've experienced in my life, I can't let you define me. I'm not trying to be a martyr or anything, but I don't see why the "get over it" and "stop being a victim" logic is valid in any way.

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It is entirely valid.

The mentality that "I am a victim due to my race" leads people to claim racism where it just doesn't ****ing exist.


Why is it that so many black people run to racism as the first reason why nearly anything negative happens to them coming from a white person.

Interviewer: Im sorry the position is filled.
Black man: Its because you don't want a black man working here isn't it!!!!!

Grocer Store Clerk: Im sorry, we don't double those coupons on Tuesdays.
Black woman: Its because Im BLACK. I bet if a white person came up in 'ere you'd double THEIR coupons!!!!

Im not saying all black people are like this..... but this is the type of **** that the rest of us are absolutely ****ing sick of hearing. Blacks using their race as a crutch when ANYTHING negative happens to them. With ABSOLUTELY no proof, just paranoia.

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Caine said:

My generation is in their mid/late 20s dude....

Tell me blacks in their mid to late 20s experienced government instituted systematic racism.

That means they were 80s kids..... Affirmative Action started in the late 80s and early 90s.......

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Yes . . . all blacks post 1964 were just hatched. They just showed up. The experiences of their Mom's, Dad's, Aunts, Uncles, Grandma and Grandpas have no effect on them. Oh, and racism is dead. I only imagine hearing the word "Nigger" almost daily from white people in my area that dislike the black folk who have moved in. You are right, no racism . . . it's all in their imagination (and mine).