'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains why

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ReformCollege said:

Are we talking about in this country or the South Africa? I'm confused.

In this country, if its not against the law then I don't think the group is purposely being wronged. There may be holes in our legal system for small exceptions, but a group may suffer from suffering for reasons other then purposely being attacked by another group. If the law is being applied fairly across the board, then they have nothing to complain about.

In South Africa, if its not against the law, I think its because the law is broken

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Please go back and read my comment about perspective on the situation in South Africa.

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Blackdog said:

Their (There) are no layers to years and years of abuse and why people would want revenge. It's pretty ****ing simple really. If it was legal or not has no bearing nor does it matter. As I have said many times suffering is suffering whether it be legal or not. This is not the first time you cried about the white man being abused. You bring race into other threads when no one has even mentioned it. You exposed yourself for what you are. Live with it.

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Ok. Do you know why we have a legal system? To prevent people from enacting their own justice. Do you know why people who are related to the victim are not permitted to be jury or the judge? So that they can be objective. Do you know why we don't let people enact their on justice? So that we call ourselves civilized and be equal, as much equal as we can be, in the face of the law.

Do you know why it is important to be equal in the face of the law? Because when the law is no more. When the laws are broken, there is nothing to protect anybody. Nobody. It is what happened over and over again in the course of history. Even in France. The revolution in the XVIIIth century took a bad turn because the law started to be bend to the whims and the vengeance of the peasents who wanted to see a lot of heads from the nobility roll. And they did. And it got so bad that the vengeance of the people started being more important than the laws and a lot of innocent people were killed because of no good reason, because vengeance ruled.

This is what happened in the XXth century too, repeatedly. First off during the nazi period in Germany, then during the war, then after the war with the horrendous war crimes the commies did and the some the allies too. Vengeance started taking the place of justice. Fair, blind, even justice for all.

And this is what is happening in SA. There are people who should be protected by the law as much as possible, and yet they are disenfranchised. And let me tell you, it is coming back to haunt the blacks in SA too. You know that this year there were massive strikes in the gold mines by africans who didn't want to work there, and the government just didn't care. The law wasn't there to protect those peoples' rights and they ended up suffering. Granted, they weren't killed and violated and robbed of their lands as whites were, but they were imprisoned, they were beaten and they were intimidated by their government to go back to work. Thousands and thousands of people. And yet all you want to focus on is some random **** that you feel is "justified" to spill, with anti-white rhetoric, bringing about some stupid straw arguments, calling me a racist from the intellectual cesspoll that you call your mind and you knowledge. Nobody is denying suffering, what I am simply trying to make you see and understand is the different layers regarding abuse, when it is abuse that has no legal coverage and abuse that is in spite of legal coverage.

Go ahead, I am tired of this non-sense. Feel free to entertain yourself with mental masturbation.

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Blackdog said:

Please go back and read my comment about perspective on the situation in South Africa.

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You have no perspective on SA except that its' whitey's fault and that black people suffered and that in your mind is the worst possible thing.

Anyway, as I said, caveman style: Me go far now. No more coming back. These 2 comments were last words you and me talked.

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Rainman05 said:

Ok. Do you know why we have a legal system? To prevent people from enacting their own justice. Do you know why people who are related to the victim are not permitted to be jury or the judge? So that they can be objective. Do you know why we don't let people enact their on justice? So that we call ourselves civilized and be equal, as much equal as we can be, in the face of the law.

Do you know why it is important to be equal in the face of the law? Because when the law is no more. When the laws are broken, there is nothing to protect anybody. Nobody. It is what happened over and over again in the course of history. Even in France. The revolution in the XVIIIth century took a bad turn because the law started to be bend to the whims and the vengeance of the peasents who wanted to see a lot of heads from the nobility roll. And they did. And it got so bad that the vengeance of the people started being more important than the laws and a lot of innocent people were killed because of no good reason, because vengeance ruled.

This is what happened in the XXth century too, repeatedly. First off during the nazi period in Germany, then during the war, then after the war with the horrendous war crimes the commies did and the some the allies too. Vengeance started taking the place of justice. Fair, blind, even justice for all.

And this is what is happening in SA. There are people who should be protected by the law as much as possible, and yet they are disenfranchised. And let me tell you, it is coming back to haunt the blacks in SA too. You know that this year there were massive strikes in the gold mines by africans who didn't want to work there, and the government just didn't care. The law wasn't there to protect those peoples' rights and they ended up suffering. Granted, they weren't killed and violated and robbed of their lands as whites were, but they were imprisoned, they were beaten and they were intimidated by their government to go back to work. Thousands and thousands of people. And yet all you want to focus on is some random **** that you feel is "justified" to spill, with anti-white rhetoric, bringing about some stupid straw arguments, calling me a racist from the intellectual cesspoll that you call your mind and you knowledge. Nobody is denying suffering, what I am simply trying to make you see and understand is the different layers regarding abuse, when it is abuse that has no legal coverage and abuse that is in spite of legal coverage.

Go ahead, I am tired of this non-sense. Feel free to entertain yourself with mental masturbation.

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I weep for the downtrodden white man is SA.

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Rainman05 said:

You have no perspective on SA except that its' whitey's fault and that black people suffered and that in your mind is the worst possible thing.

Anyway, as I said, caveman style: Me go far now. No more coming back. These 2 comments were last words you and me talked.

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We have a winner! Anyone who has to suffer from injustice including the whites in SA, is the worst possible thing. It is disgusting the way you try and make it somehow a different level, that is pretty pathetic.

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Blackdog said:

We have a winner! Anyone who has to suffer from injustice including the whites in SA, is the worst possible thing. It is disgusting the way you try and make it somehow a different level, that is pretty pathetic.

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You, bad at reading.

Me, tired of talking.

You, interpret badly. Me, bang on rocks.

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Rainman05 said:

You, bad at reading.

Me, tired of talking.

You, interpret badly. Me, bang on rocks.

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In other words you got nothing, yea we know.

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Blackdog said:

In other words you got nothing, yea we know.

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you go round in circle.

Big fail.

Short memory.

No good.

Read comments above. End talk.

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Blackdog said:

I weep for the downtrodden white man is SA.

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As you should. As they go; so too go the last remnants of civilization.

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Napoleon said:

As you should. As they go; so too go the last remnants of civilization.

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Because only whites have built civilizations. :roll:

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Blackdog said:

Because only whites have built civilizations. :roll:

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Because blacks in Africa have demonstrated that they cannot govern themselves effectively; which is why evil old whitey has been subsidizing their existence. Thats the problem with colonization; exposing the conquered peoples to an advanced civilization they would be incapable of sustaining once made independent and left to govern themselves. Unless of course you think we send Africans billions of dollars in food, medical, and monetary aide because they're doing a bang up job of running their respective countries and are powerhouses in the sciences. Sure, there was a black civilization; thousands of years ago and they never advanced beyond the bronze age.

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Napoleon said:

Because blacks in Africa have demonstrated that they cannot govern themselves effectively; which is why evil old whitey has been subsidizing their existence. Thats the problem with colonization; exposing the conquered peoples to an advanced civilization they would be incapable of sustaining once made independent and left to govern themselves. Unless of course you think we send Africans billions of dollars in food, medical, and monetary aide because they're doing a bang up job of running their respective countries and are powerhouses in the sciences. Sure, there was a black civilization; thousands of years ago and they never advanced beyond the bronze age.

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You need to learn some history before you spout your propaganda...







You can take your racist nonsense some place else.

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In terms of hard reality data, young whites have been raciallly discriminated by the American government based on racist laws such as quotas and affirmative action. These laws are not based on anything the young white did in reality, but is based on a 20/20 hindsight racist guilt trip they have been conditioned and forced to accept.

If we add up reality and add up fantasy, sum of reality are the young whites are being discriminated against. While the sum of fantasy is the young blacks are being discriminated against.

We need to treat each person as an individual and then do the math for each person. One should not give credit or liability based on herd standards.Rather racism ends when we use individual standards. What is happening now is those in touch with reality will start to notice the inequity of the fantasy guilt trip since it is not in touch with reality.

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Napoleon said:

Because blacks in Africa have demonstrated that they cannot govern themselves effectively; which is why evil old whitey has been subsidizing their existence. Thats the problem with colonization; exposing the conquered peoples to an advanced civilization they would be incapable of sustaining once made independent and left to govern themselves. Unless of course you think we send Africans billions of dollars in food, medical, and monetary aide because they're doing a bang up job of running their respective countries and are powerhouses in the sciences. Sure, there was a black civilization; thousands of years ago and they never advanced beyond the bronze age.

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as I said earlier...there was a reason that when the europeans showed up in their sailing ships, carrying firearms they were met by africans in dugout canoes, carrying pointy sticks.

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Well said:

In terms of hard reality data, young whites have been raciallly discriminated by the American government based on racist laws such as quotas and affirmative action. These laws are not based on anything the young white did in reality, but is based on a 20/20 hindsight racist guilt trip they have been conditioned and forced to accept.

If we add up reality and add up fantasy, sum of reality are the young whites are being discriminated against. While the sum of fantasy is the young blacks are being discriminated against.

We need to treat each person as an individual and then do the math for each person. One should not give credit or liability based on herd standards.Rather racism ends when we use individual standards. What is happening now is those in touch with reality will start to notice the inequity of the fantasy guilt trip since it is not in touch with reality.

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This is actually good stuff right here. It's to bad more people on either side can't judge based on individual merit rather than perceived racist/bigoted notions of superiority/inferiority.

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OscarB63 said:

as I said earlier...there was a reason that when the europeans showed up in their sailing ships, carrying firearms they were met by africans in dugout canoes, carrying pointy sticks.

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I think you are just jealous because that is what they were met with by Native Americans. :2razz:

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Blackdog said:

This is actually good stuff right here. It's to bad more people on either side can't judge based on individual merit rather than perceived racist/bigoted notions of superiority/inferiority.

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which is one of the big reasons i like the military. there are good and bad individuals of all races. to judge a whole group of people based on the actions/attitudes of a few is beyond stupid.

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OscarB63 said:

which is one of the big reasons i like the military. there are good and bad individuals of all races. to judge a whole group of people based on the actions/attitudes of a few is beyond stupid.

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Preaching to the choir here. My only problem is that people want to say racism is gone and it's not. I think the confusion was about institutionalized racism which really no longer exists in this country. Vs just everyday plane old racism which has been shown quite clearly buy some in this very thread thread.

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Blackdog said:

I think you are just jealous because that is what they were met with by Native Americans. :2razz:

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true. my point is, I think the technological differences were due primarily to environmental factors and not due to some innate superiority/inferiority of one group or another. the climate/environment in Africa and north america was not as demanding as it was in europe, therefore the peoples living there were not under the same pressures to invent technology in order to survive. as the old saying goes.... neccessity is the mother of invention.

what I find mildly amusing is that before whitey showed up...the africans and the indians had been enslaving/killing each other for generations upon generations. whitey showed up with superior fire power and enslaved/killed the africans and indians. and whitey becomes the bad guy and all mention of the previous millenia of slavery is forgotten. the white man didn't do anything to the africans that they hadn't been doing to each other for hundreds/thousands of years. the only difference is that whitey crossed an ocean to do it.

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Blackdog said:

Preaching to the choir here. My only problem is that people want to say racism is gone and it's not. I think the confusion was about institutionalized racism which really no longer exists in this country. Vs just everyday plane old racism which has been shown quite clearly buy some in this very thread thread.

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there is plenty of racism to go around at the personal level. Just take a trip to the mall with me and my two adopted boys and see the looks we get and the comments made by retards who think I can't hear them.

I once had a black lady come up to me and ask who the father of my two boys was. I told her that I was and that their mother was just very very very black

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OscarB63 said:

there is plenty of racism to go around at the personal level. Just take a trip to the mall with me and my two adopted boys and see the looks we get and the comments made by retards who think I can't hear them.

I once had a black lady come up to me and ask who the father of my two boys was. I told her that I was and that their mother was just very very very black

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HEHEHEHE! By the way I meant Plain, not plane. Freaking spell checkers man.

Yea I was with a girlfriend at the time who happened to be white in the grocery store. This old woman was giving us the evil eye so we went into our shtick...

Her: You know if you would get off your ass and get a job instead of drinking all night we mite have a little money to spend on the kids.
Me: Well if one of em' were mine I would!

Oh boy! If looks could kill. We laughed all the way out of the store.

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OscarB63 said:

true. my point is, I think the technological differences were due primarily to environmental factors and not due to some innate superiority/inferiority of one group or another. the climate/environment in Africa and north america was not as demanding as it was in europe, therefore the peoples living there were not under the same pressures to invent technology in order to survive. as the old saying goes.... neccessity is the mother of invention.

what I find mildly amusing is that before whitey showed up...the africans and the indians had been enslaving/killing each other for generations upon generations. whitey showed up with superior fire power and enslaved/killed the africans and indians. and whitey becomes the bad guy and all mention of the previous millenia of slavery is forgotten. the white man didn't do anything to the africans that they hadn't been doing to each other for hundreds/thousands of years. the only difference is that whitey crossed an ocean to do it.

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I have to disagree a little on the second part. The slavery aspect had little to do with native Americans. There concept of slavery like black Africans was very different. Black Africans unlike the native Americans were taken from the land of origin to a completely alien place. Those who were lucky enough to survive the trip in the first place. Black slaves were allowed to marry into the family among other things. Don't get me wrong many captured during wart etc were just killed. Blacks have no moral high ground here. The fact is though Africa's problems today are directly attributable to over 400 years Colonialism. You can't just fix that in the last 50 years or so.

You should watch some of the video's I posted. The Eurocentric lies are as bad as the Afrocentric lies of the 80's. The truth as you will see lies someplace in the middle. Like Napoleon's comments about the "bronze age" are a complete lie.

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Blackdog said:

HEHEHEHE! By the way I meant Plain, not plane. Freaking spell checkers man.

Yea I was with a girlfriend at the time who happened to be white in the grocery store. This old woman was giving us the evil eye so we went into our shtick...

Her: You know if you would get off your ass and get a job instead of drinking all night we mite have a little money to spend on the kids.
Me: Well if one of em' were mine I would!

Oh boy! If looks could kill. We laughed all the way out of the store.

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what I had found oddly interesting is the different way we get treated by blacks and whites and genders depending on which one of us is with the kids. If it is me and the boys, i get the most dirty looks and snide comments from black females. My wife gets the most dirty looks and comments from white people and black females.

I guess the black dudes just don't give a **** either way.

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OscarB63 said:

what I had found oddly interesting is the different way we get treated by blacks and whites and genders depending on which one of us is with the kids. If it is me and the boys, i get the most dirty looks and snide comments from black females. My wife gets the most dirty looks and comments from white people and black females.

I guess the black dudes just don't give a **** either way.

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Yea hell has no fury like a spurned black woman. I mean if you put yourself in their shoes though, you can at least see why. Not that it is fair mind you, but you can see why.

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my middle son, Lamar, is 17. he has a great attitude about the whole race thing and likes to **** with people about it. (when he was little he would tell people he wasn't 'black", he was "brown' ) this past fall a bunch of the kids from school had a halloween party where everyone dressed in costume. Lamar is one of only 6-7 black kids at his school. So i see him getting ready for the party and he is wearing a leopard print tarzan outfit, rabbit ears and a fuzzy cotton tail. I asked him what the hell he was supposed to be and, without blinking an eye, he says ... 'duh dad...I'm a jungle bunny". I almost pissed myself laughing.