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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    How the group arrives in the country, government policies, war-time policies, economic conditions etc. If you'd like I can suggest a few universities with great sociological departments. You should take a course.
    Not only sociology, but African American History as well . . . it's really good stuff.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

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    my favorite artists are barry manilow, george strait, and ODB.
    I love George Strait. I really do. Black people love him. No bull****. Go into a barbershop in Chicago and you'll find one of his records right next to 50 Cent and Anita Baker.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm simply stating your past behavior in these debates. You have nothing other than denial and weak arguments of personal experience as if they mean anything compared to empirical evidence.
    What empirical evidence?

    I am not denying there are racial disparities in specific instances of statistical analysis.

    I am denying that it immediately equals racism without evidence that racism is the reason for the disparity.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nigerians are successful for the same reason Italians have been. Not having to deal with things like slavery and Jim Crow has helped, but it's mostly because they are distrustful of other groups. They keep businesses owned by Nigerians and run by them with very little outsourcing. It's a privilege that blacks from this country never really got to enjoy until after the 60s.
    I could see that having a pretty big impact, but how would that account for their academic success? I'm pretty sure even when studies take into account income and education level of the parents, AA students heavily under perform.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And are you just going to excuse it with a "Not all marginalization is the same" or are you going to ask the important question.

    Why is it different? What Makes it different? WHY is it not the same?
    I don't "excuse" anything. And I've already asked and answered those questions out of pure curiosity because I'm educated on the subject. Maybe you should educate yourself so that you can look back and laugh at yourself for all of startlingly uninformed things you spew in threads about race and racism.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    So you believe there really is nothing we can do about it? That's depressing to me.
    But we really are doing something about it . . . it is just a slow process. In 1964 a black woman marrying a white guy was illegal in many places. The thought of a black, or "Half" Black President was unimaginable . . . there weren't blacks in some colleges let alone an African American curriculum available. It's changing . . . it still needs a little push, but it is changing. It took over 300-years (yes I said 300-years) to get here . . . but it is getting better.

    Even if it is at the expense of us poor little white folk.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    So you believe there really is nothing we can do about it? That's depressing to me.
    Well, I'm not the one who you need to blame. Blame jamie fox. Blame human nature. Blame the world. Just don't blame me. I'm just presenting my observations.

    And the only thing we can do is look to it from a different perspective. A different angle. What we are doing now is not working. Ofc, not you and I. I mean at a macro, institutional level. There is nothing you or I can do as private individuals.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Because our system is unfortunately built in such a way that white people already start out a couple of steps ahead, and it's easier for them to walk up the stairs, but harder for others to do so. It's not a cop out, it's the inconvenient truth of the matter.
    So a trailer park white person is a couple steps ahead of Micheal Jordan's kids? Bull****.




    What happens when that white person steps outside of that group? Do they continue to experience it? Does it follow them? I'm someone who believes you should be proud of who you are, but at the same time people of color carry a certain burden that white people don't have to. If you feel discriminated among a group of people of color for 10 minutes, imagine having to deal with that for the rest of your life.
    Why do you assume white people don't have to deal with racism from blacks for the rest of their lives any more or less than blacks have to deal with racism for the rest of theirs?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    What empirical evidence?

    I am not denying there are racial disparities in specific instances of statistical analysis.

    I am denying that it immediately equals racism without evidence that racism is the reason for the disparity.
    Of course you don't. Because that would force you to admit that generational consequences really do exist. It's why we leave research and academic works to people who understand it. Seriously though, there are literally thousands upon thousands of papers written on the very real effects of racism in the US. Even more on race relations in the US. Sociology and history are pretty wide fields. They examine not just race but also how class, sex are treated throughout history and what the effects of the treatment is. Relatively recently there is a new rising field on the effects discrimination has had on people with physical disabilities. It's fascinating to see just how groups regardless of race have been treated and how their current conditions are not sudden but drawn out over long periods. For example, the U.S. South has been poorer than the North for nearly 100 years directly because of the US civil war. Government policies as well as simple bad luck had a role in it all.

    But this is all moot. It's not my point to educate you. I'm fully aware of the magnitude of the subject I'm debating. You're still asking mediocre questions in order to live in denial.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No, I'm saying that you think racism exists but as long as it's some far away statistic you can live in denial about.



    Who says it does? It's simply one more piece of evidence in 100 years of race based sociological studies started by W.E.B. Du Bois. It's kind of like saying that 1 dinosaur proves evolution. It doesn't. It's the millions of other pieces of information which looked at together that prove it.

    So because there is a long history of disparities there exists racism?

    So no need to look for the CURRENT CAUSE of said disparities..... just as long as they exist then it is instant racism?
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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