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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Blacks weren't enslaved for 200 years. 1776-1860.
    Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The first 19 or so blacks arrived ashore near Jamestown, Virginia, in 1619, brought by Dutch traders who had seized them from a captured Spanish slave ship. The Spanish usually baptized slaves in Africa before embarking them and English law considered baptized Christians exempt from slavery, so these Blacks joined about 1,000 English indentured servants already in the colony. Some achieved freedom, owned land, and one later owned the American Colonies' first true slave.[11]
    You need to pick up a history book buddy. Slavery existed in the colonies long before 1776.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Here's what you don't understand: Sixty years ago, the Japanese were the most hated race in America, now they are the richest race in America. So much for your "generational effects."
    It's no coincidence, the rankings of unemployment by race are identical to the rankings of average GPA. It fits with how much education and hard work are valued by each.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They were hated for what? 6 years? That's 1/5th of a generation. Call me back when they were enslaved for 200 years.
    So the "Generational Effects" formula only works if every aspect of suffering is equal in every respect. OK, I think I got it now, it only applies to black people then. The Irish get no points for being starved out by the British and then not hired in America, the Japanese get no points for being bombed off their island and sequestered in the United States, the specific elements only apply to the specific circumstances of black people. OK, that's good. Very good.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    It's no coincidence, the rankings of unemployment by race are identical to the rankings of average GPA. It fits with how much education and hard work are valued by each.
    Yep, we never took education away from them . . . good point. We also did not break up their families and sell them. Just sayin'

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Okay fine, so what is your point? That because racism is embedded in ourselves that we don't do something about it?
    No. I am saying that if you agree with Jamie Foxx and other liberals who claim that prominent blacks are "put down" by people beacuse of racism, despite the fact that there are prominent blacks in ALL important areas of life, from politics(congressmen, the bloody president) to business (CEOs)to showbis and more... in a world where racism is being discredited and one who is identified as a racist pays a HUGE price in his public image and his safety (as it happened with zimm, black panthers putting a bounty on him)... so a world where one who is identified as a racist is stigmatized and marginalized... you would have to be insane to be a racist.

    So why are there still racists?

    Because if all those things are true, and they are, then the only logical deduction to make for the existence of racism so prominent and so powerful in the world today... is because it is a crucial, paramount part of human nature. And not just that, but it is embedded deep within us as human beings. It is our very nature to be racist and so much so that we cannot ignore it. It is even more powerful than hunger, cold, and all other natural responses to the world around us.

    If... we accept this story. this narrative, then what I said above is indisputable.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    So the "Generational Effects" formula only works if every aspect of suffering is equal in every respect. OK, I think I got it now, it only applies to black people then.
    Nope, there are still generational effects for Japanese Americans. The scale is just different. Not all marginalization is the same with the same consequences. Racism is different from sexism which is different from homophobia and so on.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Your view is simplistic at best.
    Your effort to discredit my statement is just as piss poor as the effort from the average Detroit high school kid.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

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    Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You need to pick up a history book buddy. Slavery existed in the colonies long before 1776.
    As I said, those were the american colonies, not the USA. The USA was formed after the war of independence.

    I repeat, see "american colonies".

    Blacks weren't enslaved for 200 years.

    1776-1860. That is not even 100 years. Don't exagerate. Anyway, slavery in the american colonies had become law of the land when a black man in Virginia claimed that he had ownership over another black man, and the judge decided that he was correct. And slavery became legal.

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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    So the "Generational Effects" formula only works if every aspect of suffering is equal in every respect. OK, I think I got it now, it only applies to black people then.
    Hm, says who? We find generational effects everywhere there is a long term discrimination. Long term being multi-generational. Example, the rise of China Towns and Little Italy's is directly attributable to generations of discrimination. 6 years of discrimination will hardly make a dent in a group's ability to bounce back.
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    Re: 'As a black person it's always racial': Django Unchained star Jamie Foxx explains

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    But you have the option not to be. Jamie Fox doesn't.
    Explain. Why does Jamie Fox not have the option to be color blind if he wants to be?

    It's bigotry that is. It's viewing races as in competition with each other.
    Which is exactly what Jamie Fox does.

    It's assuming that a person's race necessarily affects their character, rather than understanding that character comes from background which is affected by the way we treat different races.
    Which is exactly what folks like Jamie Foxx do.

    I'm not color-blind and no one has ever accused me of being racist.
    Because you are an apologist.
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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