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    Re: GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Op

    And I will say again - you called it a poll tax. If a voter does not have to pay for it to vote then how is it a poll tax?

    It is not relevant that society pays for the ID it is only relevant that your argument in that it being a poll tax is wrong.


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    I'll ask again: where does the money come from to give people free ids?

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    Re: GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Op

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    And I will say again - you called it a poll tax. If a voter does not have to pay for it to vote then how is it a poll tax?

    It is not relevant that society pays for the ID it is only relevant that your argument in that it being a poll tax is wrong.
    CalGun: seeing that nothing is free, and that the manufacturing of ids are not going to come out of a leprechaun's hat, where does the state get the money to pay for these free ids? Seriously, it's relevant.
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    Re: GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Op

    It would be relevant if you did not claim it was a poll tax. But you did so it is not relevant. You claimed it was a poll tax - I noted the voter could get it for free if they could not afford to get one - hence its not a poll tax and your argument fails.


    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    CalGun: seeing that nothing is free, and that the manufacturing of ids are not going to come out of a leprechaun's hat, where does the state get the money to pay for these free ids? Seriously, it's relevant.

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    Re: GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Op

    Quote Originally Posted by RLN View Post
    I don't like the state approaching someone, without just cause, and challenging their US citizenship. (And you know that is the way it first started out.) And as for the voter ID thing, I feel that it constitutes as a poll tax; you should not be under any burden to purchase something in order to vote; it's unconstitutional. And as for that RTW law, I believe that the folks in Michigan will take care of that just like we took care of something similar here in Ohio.
    Without a cause?

    Where do you live? I have lived in Texas, New Mexico and Arizona, and it really isn't that hard to distinguish between the illegals and legals. Maybe amongst first generation or so after immigration, it would still be somewhat difficult. But you know, just not speaking or speaking very broken English is enough "probable cause" to question immigration status if someone has other appearances that also mark them as possible illegals. Sure Race has some input, but an Hispanic during a traffic stop that looks like a local and speaks English within tolerances of the region, they probably will not get hassled, unless the cop is just an asshole.

    If the Hispanic community thinks it is racist, then perhaps they should cooperate with law enforcement to help reduce the number of illegals instead of openly supporting illegal immigration and hindering law enforcement.

    And to all those who are legal citizens, but run around waving Mexican Flags and other things glorifying Mexico, a question. If Mexican Culture and Mexican ways are so damned good, why are you on this side of the Border? The question stands also for anyone who immigrated or are decedents of immigrants, if the old country is so damned good, why are you here?
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    Re: GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Op

    DOMA is a disgusting piece of legislation and should not be defended.

    That having been said, there is a bit of good news one can draw from this. As recently as a few years ago, politicians on the national stage were openly denouncing gays and using fear of SSM to help them win reëlection. Today, they are on the defensive and have to be careful not to offend the pro-equality majority. It won't be long before they have to drop the issue entirely. That, my friends, is significant progress in a very short period of time.

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    Re: GOP Authorized Half A Million Dollars In Secret to Defend DOMA, While Publicly Op

    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun
    Oh and the Texas law made photo ID available at no cost so the "poll tax" BS is just that - BS.
    One of the reasons the Texas photo ID was held back from being implemented, was that they did not make the photo ID, 'at no cost' to the public.


    From the federal court in Washington that ruled that the Texas Voter ID law violates the Voting Rights Act, Judge David Tatel, in writing the opinion, said....

    “Uncontested record evidence conclusively shows that the implicit costs of obtaining [qualifying ID] will fall most heavily on the poor and that a disproportionately high percentage of African Americans and Hispanics in Texas live in poverty.”

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    ..."under our reasoning today, such laws might well be pre-cleared if they ensure (1) that all prospective voters can easily obtain free photo ID, and (2) that any underlying documents required to obtain that ID are truly free of charge.”
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