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    Re: Richest\Poorest Cities in USA

    We made third richest, hah take that city in the other "Washington".

    Also, we have better public transport, even if you have better coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is sort of a chicken and egg argument, is it not? Why would just Detriot be this "hotbed of racism" and not other parts of that state, or even other midwestern cities/states? It is a normal part of the cycle of urban decline that those with the means to escape (yes they are mostly richer and whiter) do so, leaving only those that have no reason (or means) to move elsewhere. To ascribe racism to those that left Detroit would mean that few (or no) blacks left, which is not true.
    A year or two ago I went round and round with Reverend HellH0und on this. I presented several highly respected academic studies which demonstrated that Detroit was indeed in fact worse in racist feelings than many other cities.

    If you check the 1950 Detroit population - and break it down for both blacks and whites and compare that to the 2010 census results you will see that your claim is NOT TRUE. I will look them up and add them here.

    this is very useful.

    http://www.detroit1701.org/PopEnumerated.html

    You will see that from 1950 to 2010 basically five out of every six whites left the city. During that same time, the number of African American has increased. If whtie population had only remained stable during that same period, Detroit would still be one of the ten largest cities in America. The loss of over half the population in sixty years is directly attributed to the loss of white residents.
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    Re: Richest\Poorest Cities in USA

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket
    A year or two ago I went round and round with Reverend HellH0und on this. I presented several highly respected academic studies which demonstrated that Detroit was indeed in fact worse in racist feelings than many other cities.
    So feelings affect the economy? Yeah, I can't imagine why I'm mocking you.

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    Re: Richest\Poorest Cities in USA

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    A year or two ago I went round and round with Reverend HellH0und on this. I presented several highly respected academic studies which demonstrated that Detroit was indeed in fact worse in racist feelings than many other cities.

    If you check the 1950 Detroit population - and break it down for both blacks and whites and compare that to the 2010 census results you will see that your claim is NOT TRUE. I will look them up and add them here.

    this is very useful.

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    You will see that from 1950 to 2010 basically five out of every six whites left the city. During that same time, the number of African American has increased. If whtie population had only remained stable during that same period, Detroit would still be one of the ten largest cities in America. The loss of over half the population in sixty years is directly attributed to the loss of white residents.
    That is indeed the what, but not necessarily the why. Corelation does not equal causation. Some different versions of Detroit's "history" follow: The Urbanophile » Blog Archive » The Reasons Behind Detroit’s Decline by Pete Saunders

    What Put the Brakes on Detroit's Economy? (NYSE:F, NYSE:GM, NYSE:TM, NYSE:HMC, NASDAQ:TSLA, NYSE:NAV) | Wall St. Cheat Sheet

    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/ma...whit-m25.shtml

    http://econdev.cus.wayne.edu/blog/po...facturing.aspx
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    There is no doubt that several factors played into the decline of Detroit including some of the factors in articles you list. Which also btw indicate that racism also played a role as I contended.

    I would list them as
    *** white racism and subsequent white flight
    *** the building of the highway system making it easy to NOT live in Detroit but still work there
    *** the loss of manufacturing plants and the jobs that went with them
    *** the rise of social pathologies such as riots, crime and declining public education which motivated and encouraged whites to leave
    *** the lack of new housing in Detroit as opposed to newer and fresher suburbs

    I have NEVER found a single respected academic study which lays the decline of Detroit on organized labor as a previous poster stated and that was what I was objecting to as they completely ignored other mroe documented causes.
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    Re: Richest\Poorest Cities in USA

    Absolutely - right on to City collected revenues - no exemptions. If a rich city takes in a billion we should get 10%
    and give it too the poor cities.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Hmm. Perhaps we should institute a progressive income tax of some kind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    Absolutely - right on to City collected revenues - no exemptions. If a rich city takes in a billion we should get 10%
    and give it too the poor cities.
    Dude. You're missing the point. We already have a progressive income tax at both the state and the federal level. So some money from the richest cities is already being sent to the poorest cities.

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    Re: Richest\Poorest Cities in USA

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There is no doubt that several factors played into the decline of Detroit including some of the factors in articles you list. Which also btw indicate that racism also played a role as I contended.

    I would list them as
    *** white racism and subsequent white flight
    *** the building of the highway system making it east to NOT live in Detroit but still work there
    *** the loss of manufacturing plants and the jobs that went with them
    *** the rise of social pathologies such as riots, crime and declining public education which motivated and encouraged whites to leave
    *** the lack of new housing in Detroit as opposed to newer and fresher suburbs

    I have NEVER found a single respected academic study which lays the decline of Detroit on organized labor as a previous poster stated and that was what I was objecting to as they completely ignored other mroe documented causes.
    OK, but I still think you place way too much emphasis on racism, a view not found in any of my links to be the "major cause" of the economic decline of Detroit, although I am sure that it played some part, thus the race riots. Many cities have had far worse racial problems but not nearly as bad of economic outcomes.
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    Re: Richest\Poorest Cities in USA

    No think you miss my point; the new tax should be imposed on the richest cities and just given to the poorest cities. The one you mention has the federal government in the way and it steals 146% of it. There is nothing left over
    for the poorest cities. So the rich cities should have a tax on the taxes they collect and that money given to the poorest cities. After all the people did vote for soaking the rich and giving to the poor - right?


    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Dude. You're missing the point. We already have a progressive income tax at both the state and the federal level. So some money from the richest cities is already being sent to the poorest cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CalGun View Post
    No think you miss my point; the new tax should be imposed on the richest cities and just given to the poorest cities. The one you mention has the federal government in the way and it steals 146% of it. There is nothing left over
    for the poorest cities. So the rich cities should have a tax on the taxes they collect and that money given to the poorest cities. After all the people did vote for soaking the rich and giving to the poor - right?

    And that's the way the current tax structure already works (sort of, without all the nuance). I understand that you're trying to be snarky, but you're basically being snarky about something that literally already happens.

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