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    Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....



    CHICAGO (AP) — A federal court ruling tossing out Illinois' ban on concealed weapons might end the last such gun prohibition in the country, but not without an expected fight.

    The question is whether the battle will be an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which has been silent on the issue of concealed weapons, or a legislative confrontation over the court's order that Illinois adopt a law allowing concealed carry with "reasonable limitations" like other states have.

    Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's office said she is studying the issue, while gun control advocates quickly urged her to appeal Tuesday's ruling by the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that Illinois' ban is unconstitutional. But the ban's defenders said they were more certain of fireworks over a second part of the ruling — an order for the Illinois Legislature to come up with a law legalizing the concealed carry of weapons within 180 days.

    In the appellate ruling, Judge Richard Posner, author of the majority opinion, suggested that there was no excuse for the state not to join the rest of the nation when it comes to concealed weapons. He wrote, "There is no suggestion that some unique characteristic of criminal activity in Illinois justifies the state's taking a different approach than the other 49 states."

    But the majority included the 180-day stay of its ruling to "allow the Illinois legislature to craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public," Posner wrote. The fight in the Legislature would be over what constitutes "reasonable limitations."

    At the same time, Flynn Currie, the House Majority Leader, said she is encouraged by the court's silence on the right to carry concealed weapons, and wants Madigan to appeal the ruling.

    The Supreme Court's rulings on the Second Amendment were "very limited, saying the home is your castle, and it didn't apply to other places," she said. "For that reason, it's worth checking on that question."

    Federal Court Tosses Illinois Ban on Concealed Carry, But Fight's Not Over | CNS News
    Associated Press December 12, 2012<<<<< More here, way more.

    Another Defeat for Democrats and a Victory for the American People especially Illinoisans. . Now Illinois gets to join the rest of the Country in being allowed to carry. Plus they wont be able to restrict around schools, or anywhere else. As that would be a ban. Note what the Demo Politician says is the reason to take this to the Supreme Court. See the games the Democrat politicians play. Does anyone think her EXCUSE should be the reason to take this issue to the Supreme Court? Chicago and Illinois is not Special. What don't Illinois Politicians Understand about their own Mantra of Whats Fair for Everybody.

    Just what is up with the Progressives and that mantra. Fairness for all. Equaling the Playing field so to speak. Shouldn't any arguments brought up by the left be smacked Right back down on them with their own words?
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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    SPRINGFIELD — In a huge win for gun-rights groups, a divided federal appeals court in Chicago Tuesday tossed the state’s ban on carrying concealed weapons and gave Illinois’ Legislature 180 days to craft a law legalizing concealed carry.

    “The debate is over. We won. And there will be a statewide carry law in 2013,” said Todd Vandermyde, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association.

    Illinois is the only state with an outright prohibition on concealed carry.....snip~

    Federal appeals court tosses state ban on carrying concealed weapons - Chicago Sun-Times

    Do you agree with the 7th Circuit Court's ruling? Please identify your Choice!

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    SPRINGFIELD — In a huge win for gun-rights groups, a divided federal appeals court in Chicago Tuesday tossed the state’s ban on carrying concealed weapons and gave Illinois’ Legislature 180 days to craft a law legalizing concealed carry.

    “The debate is over. We won. And there will be a statewide carry law in 2013,” said Todd Vandermyde, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association.

    Illinois is the only state with an outright prohibition on concealed carry.....snip~

    Federal appeals court tosses state ban on carrying concealed weapons - Chicago Sun-Times

    Do you agree with the 7th Circuit Court's ruling? Please identify your Choice!

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    Illinoisans will take what we can get. It's about freakin' time. Good news all 'round. As long as it happens. Opponents say, "We have enough gun violence!!!!" I say, "Yes!! We do!! Now let's allow the "good guys" to defend themselves against it."
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    Good news.
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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post


    CHICAGO (AP) — A federal court ruling tossing out Illinois' ban on concealed weapons might end the last such gun prohibition in the country, but not without an expected fight.

    The question is whether the battle will be an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which has been silent on the issue of concealed weapons, or a legislative confrontation over the court's order that Illinois adopt a law allowing concealed carry with "reasonable limitations" like other states have.

    Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan's office said she is studying the issue, while gun control advocates quickly urged her to appeal Tuesday's ruling by the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that Illinois' ban is unconstitutional. But the ban's defenders said they were more certain of fireworks over a second part of the ruling — an order for the Illinois Legislature to come up with a law legalizing the concealed carry of weapons within 180 days.

    In the appellate ruling, Judge Richard Posner, author of the majority opinion, suggested that there was no excuse for the state not to join the rest of the nation when it comes to concealed weapons. He wrote, "There is no suggestion that some unique characteristic of criminal activity in Illinois justifies the state's taking a different approach than the other 49 states."

    But the majority included the 180-day stay of its ruling to "allow the Illinois legislature to craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public," Posner wrote. The fight in the Legislature would be over what constitutes "reasonable limitations."

    At the same time, Flynn Currie, the House Majority Leader, said she is encouraged by the court's silence on the right to carry concealed weapons, and wants Madigan to appeal the ruling.

    The Supreme Court's rulings on the Second Amendment were "very limited, saying the home is your castle, and it didn't apply to other places," she said. "For that reason, it's worth checking on that question."

    Federal Court Tosses Illinois Ban on Concealed Carry, But Fight's Not Over | CNS News
    Associated Press December 12, 2012<<<<< More here, way more.

    Another Defeat for Democrats and a Victory for the American People especially Illinoisans. . Now Illinois gets to join the rest of the Country in being allowed to carry. Plus they wont be able to restrict around schools, or anywhere else. As that would be a ban. Note what the Demo Politician says is the reason to take this to the Supreme Court. See the games the Democrat politicians play. Does anyone think her EXCUSE should be the reason to take this issue to the Supreme Court? Chicago and Illinois is not Special. What don't Illinois Politicians Understand about their own Mantra of Whats Fair for Everybody.

    Just what is up with the Progressives and that mantra. Fairness for all. Equaling the Playing field so to speak. Shouldn't any arguments brought up by the left be smacked Right back down on them with their own words?
    I will withhold that judgement until we see what "reasonable restrictions" that this court allows. If these same "reasonable restrictions" are allowed to be placed on the right to vote, then I am fine with the decision. In most cases the same "reasonable restrictions" should be applied to the right to vote, i.e. denied to those that are convicted felons, legally insane or not legal US residents/citizens. It is amazing that nearly universal agreement exists that guns/ammo should not be sold without presenting a valid, state issued, photo ID and that convicted criminals and the insane may (must?) be denied this "right", yet the same "reasonable restrictions" constitute a "discriminatory burden" when applied to voting.
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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    The OP said, ""Plus they won't be able to restrict around schools, or anywhere else. As that would be a ban."

    It would NOT be a ban. Many states with CC laws disallow the possession of ANY gun (concealed or not) on government property, including schools, city/town halls, and other buildings. I would support such restrictions, anyway....especially as it relates to schools.
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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    It is baffling to me how so much of America at a local level is so conservative but somehow obama got reelected.

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The OP said, ""Plus they won't be able to restrict around schools, or anywhere else. As that would be a ban."

    It would NOT be a ban. Many states with CC laws disallow the possession of ANY gun (concealed or not) on government property, including schools, city/town halls, and other buildings. I would support such restrictions, anyway....especially as it relates to schools.

    The gun rights backers interpreted the 2-1 appellate court ruling as a mandate instructing lawmakers to pass a bill allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons in public with few if any restrictions. Todd Vandermyde, a National Rifle Association lobbyist, said gun control advocates could forget any limits such as partial bans near places such as day care centers and schools.

    "It's over for them. They have no stroke in this game, they have no negotiating power," Vandermyde said. "When you start drawing circles around all those places — day care centers, schools and parks — that's a ban and they don't get a ban. They lost.....snip~


    That's what the NRA is saying though and that they will push for the Statewide in 2013. But I agree with you concerning people being around Schools or day care centers with them guns.

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Illinoisans will take what we can get. It's about freakin' time. Good news all 'round. As long as it happens. Opponents say, "We have enough gun violence!!!!" I say, "Yes!! We do!! Now let's allow the "good guys" to defend themselves against it."
    Hiya Maggie .....did ya hear them talking about this? Already the Demos are trying to say it will put more guns out into the public. Causing more shootings and injuries as well as deaths. Yet while he was saying this.....it must have been a Taboo for the Reporters to not bring up the issue of Chicago and all the violence and shootings taking place this year. Or how since Chicago or Illinois already had the Conceal Carry in place and how was that working out with the more guns out on the street.

    Mainly hitting the Democrats with.....hows that working out now Since your City is leading the Nation in Shootings and Murders. Just how is your Absurd argument stopping or decreasing any gun violence whatsoever! What happened? Where are your made up numbers now?

    These reporters cannot be scared to ask the Right Questions and not damn useless questions about Obama and the Fiscal Cliff when they are talking about this damn issue. But this is what they do. Never putting the Politicians on the Spot. I would like to see it done to both Sides. But obvious more focus has to be on Progressives and Liberals so that they are not allowed to go off on tangents and talk about other things which don't apply to the Subject at hand.

    For 20-30 yrs the Clintons have pushed that gotcha moment with the Media. 30 years later now all the Demos use that line. They wont play the gotcha moment.

    Well IMO it is time for that BS to quit. The Pols don't like that it is a gotcha moment. To Damn bad......time For a Change. Then ask them.....Well isn't that what you Advocated. Change for the better and for the Country. Starts Now.....so answer the damn question or pay the Price.....Publicly!

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I will withhold that judgement until we see what "reasonable restrictions" that this court allows. If these same "reasonable restrictions" are allowed to be placed on the right to vote, then I am fine with the decision. In most cases the same "reasonable restrictions" should be applied to the right to vote, i.e. denied to those that are convicted felons, legally insane or not legal US residents/citizens. It is amazing that nearly universal agreement exists that guns/ammo should not be sold without presenting a valid, state issued, photo ID and that convicted criminals and the insane may (must?) be denied this "right", yet the same "reasonable restrictions" constitute a "discriminatory burden" when applied to voting.

    I am going have to agree with you on this part.I see the anti-2nd amendment loons in Illinois imposing all sorts of infringements like an expensive fee,finger print submission, and all sorts of other infringements to make it nearly impossible for an average citizen to be able to carry a concealed weapon.
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