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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    It is baffling to me how so much of America at a local level is so conservative but somehow obama got reelected.
    You should probably wait to see what those judges consider reasonable limitations.
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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    We've read Chicago news stories about huge groups of (insert appropriate word here) attacking a single jogger, flash mobs that steal and beat others. Yet the shrieking loons absolutely do not want victims to be able to defend themselves. The loons stand with the attackers and disarm the victims. In places like Chicago, in situations like the unreported extensive looting after Hurricane Sandy, law abiding citizens must be able to fight back or they will die. That is the planned future of liberal America. The more agitation, chaos and disorder, the more government is required.

    DO NOT let the liberals turn you into a beaten, cowering victim, terrified to leave your house because the liberals have enthusiastically turned your once beautiful country into a 3rd world jungle where you, your family and your children are the prey of designated favorites that the liberals refuse to prosecute. The media won't even report that someone in your family has been raped or killed because the media wants to protect the perpetrators, the suffering of your family means nothing.

    If no one speaks for you, your gun will. Your gun is your best friend and you can bet that voice will be heard. Understand this: The police are not coming to help you. Being a beaten, raped or worse victim will devastate you emotionally for the rest of your life. Don't allow anyone to take your honor and dignity away from you.

    Many loons are actually so naive as to believe that immediate surrender and submission guarantees safety and good treatment. The opposite is true, surrender guarantees pain and death. Those who would harm you like that, they enjoy it. They enjoy your suffering and they will deliberately hurt you so they can laugh at you.
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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am going have to agree with you on this part.I see the anti-2nd amendment loons in Illinois imposing all sorts of infringements like an expensive fee,finger print submission, and all sorts of other infringements to make it nearly impossible for an average citizen to be able to carry a concealed weapon.
    Mayor Emanual the Socialist/Progressive already tried to raise Gun Registry fees.....he failed!

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am going have to agree with you on this part.I see the anti-2nd amendment loons in Illinois imposing all sorts of infringements like an expensive fee,finger print submission, and all sorts of other infringements to make it nearly impossible for an average citizen to be able to carry a concealed weapon.
    Yup! Take a good hard look at the process in Massachusetts. I'd bet that Illinois uses it as a road map.

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mayor Emanual the Socialist/Progressive already tried to raise Gun Registry fees.....he failed!
    Anti-2nd amendment loons do not give up so easily. He will do everything he can to make it costly and a pain in the ass for someone to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The OP said, ""Plus they won't be able to restrict around schools, or anywhere else. As that would be a ban."

    It would NOT be a ban. Many states with CC laws disallow the possession of ANY gun (concealed or not) on government property, including schools, city/town halls, and other buildings. I would support such restrictions, anyway....especially as it relates to schools.
    ...and like restraining orders, many of us walk right through those restrictions and do it anyway. Where I used to live, I would have had to drive well out of my way to get home to avoid the school zones when I was carrying. Nope. Drove right through them. Walked right into the Massachusetts State House carrying about 12 or 13 years ago (before they installed the metal detectors). Walk right into city hall and the police station armed on a fairly regular basis.

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    ...and like restraining orders, many of us walk right through those restrictions and do it anyway. Where I used to live, I would have had to drive well out of my way to get home to avoid the school zones when I was carrying. Nope. Drove right through them. Walked right into the Massachusetts State House carrying about 12 or 13 years ago (before they installed the metal detectors). Walk right into city hall and the police station armed on a fairly regular basis.
    I would contend that no-gun zones around schools have led to earlier reporting of visible carry on or near the sites. It won't stop somebody dead set on causing problems, but it WILL make them stand out and may result in more lives saved by quick action than would otherwise occur.

    In either case, I hardly find it to be an unreasonable restriction on CC.
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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I would contend that no-gun zones around schools have led to earlier reporting of visible carry on or near the sites. It won't stop somebody dead set on causing problems, but it WILL make them stand out and may result in more lives saved by quick action than would otherwise occur.

    In either case, I hardly find it to be an unreasonable restriction on CC.
    "visible carry"? I am not and never have been a proponent of open carry. The states I travel to have Concealed Carry only. That means if you can see I'm carrying a gun, I've committed a felony called "Criminal Menacing". Very few of these school shootings are impacted in any positive way by these school gun bans. About the only thing they do is ensure the staff and administrators can't have a firearm in their car to potentially stop the nutjob with.

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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    The OP said, ""Plus they won't be able to restrict around schools, or anywhere else. As that would be a ban."

    It would NOT be a ban. Many states with CC laws disallow the possession of ANY gun (concealed or not) on government property, including schools, city/town halls, and other buildings. I would support such restrictions, anyway....especially as it relates to schools.
    I'd allow them on college and university campuses, limited on high school, likely banned from Jr high and elementary.
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    Re: Appellate Court Tosses Ban on Illinois Conceal and Carry.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Hiya Maggie .....did ya hear them talking about this? Already the Demos are trying to say it will put more guns out into the public. Causing more shootings and injuries as well as deaths. Yet while he was saying this.....it must have been a Taboo for the Reporters to not bring up the issue of Chicago and all the violence and shootings taking place this year. Or how since Chicago or Illinois already had the Conceal Carry in place and how was that working out with the more guns out on the street.

    Mainly hitting the Democrats with.....hows that working out now Since your City is leading the Nation in Shootings and Murders. Just how is your Absurd argument stopping or decreasing any gun violence whatsoever! What happened? Where are your made up numbers now?

    These reporters cannot be scared to ask the Right Questions and not damn useless questions about Obama and the Fiscal Cliff when they are talking about this damn issue. But this is what they do. Never putting the Politicians on the Spot. I would like to see it done to both Sides. But obvious more focus has to be on Progressives and Liberals so that they are not allowed to go off on tangents and talk about other things which don't apply to the Subject at hand.

    For 20-30 yrs the Clintons have pushed that gotcha moment with the Media. 30 years later now all the Demos use that line. They wont play the gotcha moment.

    Well IMO it is time for that BS to quit. The Pols don't like that it is a gotcha moment. To Damn bad......time For a Change. Then ask them.....Well isn't that what you Advocated. Change for the better and for the Country. Starts Now.....so answer the damn question or pay the Price.....Publicly!
    Hi ya' back atcha!!!! I heard a Democratic politician on the radio on the way home today, and I wanted to puke. Ha! "I wonder if people realize this means we'll have people walking around with loaded and concealed handguns????" Maggie says, "What do you think is happening NOW????" What a joke. 49 states have concealed carry laws. We are not re-inventing the wheel. He talked about the mentally ill having guns saying that, nationwide, "500 homicides were committed by people with concealed carry permits!!" "In what length of time, Senator?" the DJ asked. "Since 2005." Give me a freakin' break!!!!! We have that many homicides in the city of Chicago every YEAR -- by people who have no right to carry a gun -- who don't even have permits. Such a loaded argument. Made me sick.
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